Forum Moderators: martinibuster

Message Too Old, No Replies

My CTR is 40% and higher

I want to share my tips and doubts.

         

cayetanob

2:36 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Recently I started to buy cheap quality traffic, and the web pages where I redirected the traffic, has a CTR of 40% to 60%. My question is. Is this acceptable for google? Am I going to be penalized for having a high CTR?

This is the layout of my landing web pages.
------------------
- title -
------------------
- adsense links -
- --------- --- -
- -PP AAA - XXX -
------------------
- BBB more text -
------------------

PP = Picture related to the title. ej. if the title is ebay, the picture is the ebay logo.
AAA = Google Adsense (336 x280)
XXX = Little Registration Form.
BBB = Adsense Vertical ad.
I thing the high CTR is due to the webpage design and the quality traffic.

Thanks in advanced for you opinion.

Visi

2:41 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



So is a "XXX = Little Registration Form" considered to be content? Won't be CTR that they will have an issue about...but might trigger a manual review . If a google employee did that...perhaps page may be consiered as made specifically for adsense? Perhaps a small TOS violation?

cayetanob

3:12 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



"So is a "XXX = Little Registration Form" considered to be content?" - Visi
A: The little registration form, is just to capture the name and email of the visitor. It is a iframe, and when you send your name and mail, you get a thank you form in the iframe (the web page is still the same, except for the little part of the iframe that says thank you).

Althoug the adsense ads are very visible, the web page also has a good amount of content too, but you only need to scroll down.

"perhaps page may be consiered as made specifically for adsense?" - visi

I think that most of the pages that had optimized adsense, seems like made specifically for adsense. In this case I only followed the heat map optimization tips for adsense.

blue_eagle

4:03 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



According to Adsense Privacy & Policy publishers were not allowed to use adsense banners on registration or login pages. I think it is still like that. You should remove it before they find you out and kick you out.

deepesh

4:16 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



According to Adsense Privacy & Policy publishers were not allowed to use adsense banners on registration or login pages. I think it is still like that. You should remove it before they find you out and kick you out.

I think that is for pages with NO or VERY LESS content, As far as there is enough content on page it should be OK.

jchampliaud

6:50 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



The best thing to do is e-mail Adsense and have them okay the page.

jetteroheller

9:05 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month



I think the traffic is because there is no content

My standard layout is

LOGO LOGO CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT
LOGO LOGO CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT
NAVI ADLI CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT
NAVI ADLI CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT
NAVI NAVI CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT
NAVI NAVI CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT
300x250AD CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT
300x250AD CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT
300x250AD CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT
300x250AD CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT
SEARCHBOX CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT

ADLI means AdLink, the rest explains itself

Shure my CTR is much lower, but because
there is content and navigation to other
pages, the visitor visits several pages,
and has so several pages time to click
an ad.

mmontala

9:16 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



cayetanob, where did you get the cheap quality traffic? can you share it? Thanks!

Tropical Island

11:08 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Recently I started to buy cheap quality traffic,...

That's what caught my eye. Would also like to know.

FromBelgium

11:24 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Althoug the adsense ads are very visible, the web page also has a good amount of content too, but you only need to scroll down.

So you hide content from visitors, by putting it below the fold, so they can only click on Adsense?

ska_demon

11:30 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Pulled this out of the Adsense TOS

display any Ad(s), Link(s), or Referral Button(s) on any error page, on any registration or "thank you" page (e.g., a page that thanks a user after he/she has registered with the applicable Web site)

I foresee a "Google just shut my account down post" ;oP

Ska

hyperkik

1:54 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I don't know how much content you have on the page other than the registration form. I don't think that there is any problem with adding a registration feature to a regular content page (e.g., newsletter signup) and still displaying AdSense. Without seeing the page(s) at issue, I can't assess which side of the line I think they're on.

What I can say, though, is you can't put an ad block immediately under a "related articles"/"artículos relacionados" header without running afoul of the TOS.

Frequent

2:34 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I agree with hyperkick. Almost every forum, blog, and portal has a registration form on every page. The key is that the registration form is not the primary content.

That said, I have seldom seen cheap and quality traffic accurately used with the word bought. If you really found it, congrats. Tell NO ONE!

Freq---

farmboy

5:40 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month



PP = Picture related to the title. ej. if the title is ebay, the picture is the ebay logo.

How difficult was it to get eBay's permission to use their logo on your page?

FarmBoy

farmboy

5:42 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month



My standard layout is

LOGO LOGO CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT
LOGO LOGO CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT
NAVI ADLI CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT
NAVI ADLI CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT

...ADLI means AdLink, the rest explains itself

Does that mean you have two AdLinks displays on the page?

FarmBoy

Ossifer

6:03 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I don't think it does, otherwise there would be 4 logos :-)

Probably adlinks which take up a little space spanning a few lines of content..

jetteroheller

6:11 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month



Does that mean you have two AdLinks displays on the page?

I also do not have 4 300x250 blocks.

It should only reflect the size
90 pixel high logo - 2 lines
90 pixel high AdLink - 2 lines

aeiouy

8:40 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



It is not possible to have an actual site with real and relevant content to the subject that your traffic is looking for and get those kinds of CTR.

So either your traffic is way off topic for your site, or your site has nothing of any value to offer visitors.

Either way it is not likely to keep you in the good graces of Google.

hunderdown

8:44 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)



Regardless of the good graces of Google, I care about the good graces of my visitors. There are any number of things I could do to increase the CTR on my site, but which would not make my visitors happy. So I don't do those things. I want my site to be around for a while. It's already been around for more than ten years....

aeiouy

8:48 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Yeah but someone crowing about 40% CTRs is not interested in the quality of visit for their visitors.

He is in it for the very short term

danimal

12:05 am on Dec 17, 2005 (gmt 0)



>>>It is not possible to have an actual site with real and relevant content to the subject that your traffic is looking for and get those kinds of CTR.<<<

translation: it's not possible for the way that you personally implement adsense, and the niche that you are in.

but the world of adsense is very big, and some niches are chock-full of adwords advertisers who fight tooth and nail to create desireable ads that will make people click on 'em.

there are also adsense implementations that never get mentioned on these forums... techniques like this, that surpass the page ctr of the critters thread that everyone crowed about.

what cayetanob has done is create a situation where his adsense looks like links... and he has made adsense the only above-the-fold choice his web surfers see... so of course it's going to have a huge page ctr.

you ask if it's legit? notice the pic he has there... if you were ansel adams, for example, and your work was so compelling that people desperately wanted to see it, wouldn't his adsense implementation be a legit way to connect targeted traffic with relevant advertisers?

ansel adams was a world-class photographer who took world-class photos of yosemite, which is an incredible place that brings in travellers from all over the world... if you put worthwhile yosemite travel info below the fold, with an ansel adams pic above it, just like cayetanob outlined, would it not be legit?

aeiouy

1:22 am on Dec 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



translation: it's not possible for the way that you personally implement adsense, and the niche that you are in.

No need to translate. It is not possible because it defies everything known about human behavior. You can not show me a site that gets 40% plus click-throughs that is relevant and chocked full of content. The site doesn't exist, because it is NOT POSSIBLE for that site to exist. I do not care if your advertisers are giving away 1 billion dollars in their ads.

but the world of adsense is very big, and some niches are chock-full of adwords advertisers who fight tooth and nail to create desireable ads that will make people click on 'em.

People are still people though. Perhaps you do not understand how ridiculously high 40% is?

there are also adsense implementations that never get mentioned on these forums... techniques like this, that surpass the page ctr of the critters thread that everyone crowed about.

I don't care if you sprinkle it with pixie dust. A site with real content with any number of allowable adsense units on it you want in any place you desire is NOT going to get 40% clickthrough rate.

what cayetanob has done is create a situation where his adsense looks like links... and he has made adsense the only above-the-fold choice his web surfers see... so of course it's going to have a huge page ctr.

Where is the content in that? What is the point of having any content if you are doing that? Someone feel free to sticky me the site. I don't care if the page is set up as you suggest, you are still not going to see 40% click throughs.

you ask if it's legit? notice the pic he has there... if you were ansel adams, for example, and your work was so compelling that people desperately wanted to see it, wouldn't his adsense implementation be a legit way to connect targeted traffic with relevant advertisers?

Yeah but shouldn't his page be chocked full of other relevant Ansel Adams information that might intrigue a visitor as well? Perhaps you do not understand what is meant by real content? I don't care how compelling you make the ads. If they are in the middle of real and relevant content you will not see those kinds of click through rates.
Having an Ansel Adams picture tagged to an ad is NOT content.

ansel adams was a world-class photographer who took world-class photos of yosemite, which is an incredible place that brings in travellers from all over the world... if you put worthwhile yosemite travel info below the fold, with an ansel adams pic above it, just like cayetanob outlined, would it not be legit?
Sure it would. Still not getting 40% click through rates.

danimal

3:08 am on Dec 17, 2005 (gmt 0)



>>>the web pages where I redirected the traffic, has a CTR of 40% to 60%.<<<

the layout has been proven to work.

>>>Sure it would.<<<

and you just agreed that it was legit.

so stop contradicting yourself, and get to work :-) you could probably contract the use of some hi-quality photos, so you'll need a theme and the relevant text to go beneath the fold.

Luddite

5:23 am on Dec 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



40% ctr?

I read that as: "My visitors are eager to leave"

btas2

6:24 am on Dec 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



If I was Google and I actually wanted to boot out MFA sites, I'd be looking at any site or page that was getting a CTR of 20% or more.

Any page with a 40-60% CTR has to be so bad and useless that people will click on anything just to get off it.

jdvjdv

11:05 am on Dec 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Or, the only exit links are adsense.

Jolly_Roger

11:22 am on Dec 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



cayetanob, the thing I would worry about is the 'quality traffic'. How well do you know this traffic source? Is it possible that it is a well-designed bot from a wide range of IP addresses with random delays that pseudo-randomly 'clicks' links on the page to try to simulate unpredictable human behaviour?

If you don't fully understand the traffic source, I would pick a bunch of IP addresses randomly, cross-reference them with a national IP table, and look for patterns. Are they world-wide? Are there suspicous patterns within the IP ranges of some countries?

I would also thoroughly research the company.

If you understand the source of the traffic and how they can sell you such targetted legitimate human traffic, wonderful. As others have said, tell no one. ;)

JuniorOptimizer

1:14 pm on Dec 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



40% and above CTRs come because people click on more than one ad. It's not like 4 out of every 10 click out. But 1 clicks 8 times, etc.

OptiRex

2:56 pm on Dec 17, 2005 (gmt 0)



40% ctr?

I read that as: "My visitors are eager to leave"

Any page with a 40-60% CTR has to be so bad and useless that people will click on anything just to get off it.

It could be viewed that way however I have a couple of niche satellite sites which are country specific (UK) however they both rank very highly in Google.com and .co.uk and advertisers in the USA, Canada, NZ and OZ are targeting them specifically for their content and relevancy.

The key for many English language sites is to provide/publish top level global sites which are pertinent to both trade and retail visitors meanwhile allowing the advertisers the possibility of participating nationally/regionally.

Anyway, it certainly works for my niche products.

toldan

10:28 pm on Dec 17, 2005 (gmt 0)



Isn't discussion about CTR prohibited?
This 32 message thread spans 2 pages: 32