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It is sad for the employees. However, the competition in the PPC industry will not come from Looksmart. I don't think many would trust them ever again, even under completely different management. Damaged goods by their own hand.
Looksmart still have Inktomi and cash. With all that is going on with MSN, and Yahoo and Overture and Google, a phoenix may yet rise from the flames.
NFFC is spot on once again, there are always people at a sensible level who do suffer at the hands of big corporate decisions.
MSN have got some work to do to bring a decent product of their own to market.
In regards to still having Inktomi and cash ... what LookSmart lacks is Webmaster respect, support and / or confidence... which would likely mean 'less cash' coming in for the future. Who's going to want to 'advertise' when there's no major partner?
I feel for the employees... but also think they had to see the 'writing on the wall'.
Looksmart still have Inktomi and cash
No - looksmart have Zeal, Wisenut and cash. Yahoo have Inktomi.
Yes - sad for the employees, as it always is in this situation. And I hope those employees remember the management team members who made the dumb choices - which alienated the webmasters of the world....
And the courts agree.
Does anyone know how much that court ruling is going to cost them? Is it going to eat into their $60M cash reserve?
Just this past weekend I re-started my LookSmart ad campaign thinking that perhaps my previous experiences were not typical of the average user. In my e-mail this morning was a notice that my budget had reached its limit. What? After just two days and absolutely zero sales from those clicks? There is absolutely no way that my budget could have hit nearly 1,000 clicks in just two days when on Overture, I can go months and not reach the budget limit.
Something is wrong with Looksmart: either they are a part of the click fraud problem or they acknowledge its existence and refuse to build-in adaquate protection algorithms to guard against it. Either way, they are a bad company with zero ethics to allow it to continue.
Back during my first bad experience, I demanded to see a report of all IP addresses clicking to my site. Answer? "No way...it's against our company policy." Fine. LookSmart and its policies can die a painful death: they deserve it. I only hope that their workers can find alternative employment before the entire company implodes.
And why is it useless? becasue now you have to pay for the traffic.
If they kept the $299 and you get free traffic forever from MSN then everybody here will still like Looksmart almost as much as Google...but then Google is free so...then Google is better
Yahoo switch from $299 forever to $299 a year and then almost removed the directory results (are you getting the same traffic from your $299 submit as before?). Business is changing all the time. By moving to the new model they now have 60 mill. in the bank...if they kept the $299 forever then they will be out of business on Jan. 15th 2004
There is absolutely no way that my budget could have hit nearly 1,000 clicks in just two days when on Overture, I can go months and not reach the budget limit.
That's just about the exact same thing that happened with my sites. When I can get a 110% ROI on Adwords and 104% ROI on Overture for keywords that I get 10% ROI on Looksmart there is something wrong. When keywords that eat up the same amount of clicks on Overture and Adwords combined for one month in just three days on Looksmart, something is wrong. Of course, I'm preaching to the choir on this.
Until one of these employees I'm supposed to feel sorry for comes out and blows the whistle on what is actually going on with Looksmart, I won't feel sorry for them.
Then they shouldn't have offered it in the first place. A lifetime listing is a lifetime listing.
"And why is it useless? becasue now you have to pay for the traffic."
No, we had *already* paid for the traffic. They just wanted a second helping. Imagine buying a car for $5K and then being told afterwards that you have to pay a $10 fee every time you want to drive the car, but you do get 10 free rides in the car each month. Would you be happy with that?
What's more, for many webmasters $0.15 was far more than they could afford to pay per click. Many people had banked on paying a one off fee of $299 and getting many clicks over a long period of time. PPC pricing only suits a certain set of webmasters.
If they had started a PPC engine in *addition* to the directory, it wouldn't have been a problem. But they screwed a whole bunch of webmasters and "upgraded" their listings to PPC accounts.
Nor do I agree that they would be out of business. Where is the evidence for that? Yahoo runs a directory, charging an identical amount, and they don't seem to be going out of business at the moment.
and where is the directory results? I paid many $299 to be listed on Yahoo and used to get alot of results and I get nothing or very close to nothing right now. Looksmart was never profitable untill this year. Where is Yahoo making their money..(PPC maybe) not from the $299 that you paid about 5 years ago
>>>What's more, for many webmasters $0.15 was far more than they could afford to pay per click. Many people had banked on paying a one off fee of $299 and getting many clicks over a long period of time. PPC pricing only suits a certain set of webmasters.
If you can't effort to pay for the traffic...you are not going to be in business anyway so what's the point. Plus you recieved planty of traffic for your $299 and where can you find traffic for $0.15 a click? I'll bet you we will have to pay much more for this traffic on MSN in the future.
Changing world and always changing business model..if you are in a business for yourself you know that
>>Imagine buying a car for $5K and then being told afterwards that you have to pay a $10 fee every time you want to drive the car, but you do get 10 free rides in the car each month. Would you be happy with that?
But we are making money with this traffic (i know i am) so they asked you to share a bit of your profits. I know it's better to get it for free but still...
However their USP was their MSN traffic, without that, i doubt they have much of a chance of surviving. sad.
Virtually all dealings with them were poorly handled and many customer service issues ignored. Repeatedly. Their model has worked for a select few clients and it'll be a loss for them if LS gets no new distribution deals. If they are like so many other comapnies, a nice chunk of that 60M will go for the golden parachutes to the top brass in exchange for sticking around till the end.
Those who had to deal with the issues caused by business model changes will probably be happier elsewhere.
We should distinguish between LS in the US and the rest of the world. LS in the UK and other markets around the world never went down the US route. They still offer one off payment products as well as CPC products.
[edited by: amhurst at 8:32 am (utc) on Oct. 14, 2003]