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Plural or Singular

Should you target that plural or sungle of a word?

         

neveremail

6:03 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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For example a page targeteting traffic for bikinis.

Should you target bikini or bikinis?

If its a mixture of both which holds more weighting?

specter

10:39 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You could use a word tracker tool to check if the most typed word is plural or singular.
However usually there is no great difference.

larryhatch

11:24 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Here's a crude test.

Find a synonym for your search word. "two piece bathing suit" say.
Ask a few friends, separately, to Google up "2 piece bathing suits".
Explain that you need to see how they search but don't give
specific details as this could bias the results.
Carefully not what the type in, singular or plural, and anything else notable.
You might be surprised what happens. -Larry

neveremail

11:40 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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thats a good idea larry.

Does anyone else know what #*$! will show singular/plurals?

Leosghost

12:25 am on Apr 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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sungle

Targetted spelling helps too! ..sorry ..couldn't resist it ...;)
Misspellings are probably even more important as far as dom names go ...

Target plurals , hyphenateds whatever , those who think you are dyslexic will be far outweighed by those who think that you speel "it" like they do ..and they will maybe convert ..wheras the first category will just feel smug ..

The flip side of this is that some languages give you "natural keywords" that are also in very competitive areas in other languages ....sometimes it can be the plural that will distinguish them ..one from the other ..this happens more often than one might think between French and English words that have the same or similar meaning..the same spelling ..but the plurals are not "finished" the same way ..Spanish and Italian ( maybe Portugese too? )also exhibit this in relation to English..

Of course afterwards you have to cope with the emails ;).

Ps ..Actually I kind a like "sungle" ..positive sounding word that ...nice way to describe a nudist "bathing suit"...as worn at Ramatuelle...

larryhatch

12:59 am on Apr 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hello Leos: Something a bit off-topic, bothered me for a long time ..

Some 'things' are always referred to in the singular in English, like 'information'.
In many/most other languages, this becomes the equivalent of 'infomations'
(e.g. informes in Spanish) I'm tempted to ask how many 'informes' the person has.

Liquids, gases, materials .. foodstuffs etc. usually fall into this category:
water, nitrogen, iron, meat, beer (burp!)
For lack of proper terminology, I call these "liquid nouns".

Other nouns are usually in the plural. These are discrete countable things
like cars, persons, nuts and bolts, widgets ..
Again for lack of terminology I call these "discrete nouns".

Does anyone know the PROPER terms from English Grammar?
My liquid vs discrete terminology is strictly ad-hoc. -Larry

Leosghost

1:30 am on Apr 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I would have said abstract and determinate ..then again I went to school long long time ago ..and paid little attention ..In french the same sort of thing happens ..hence .."de la" and "du" ..which pretty much follow your reasoning ..liquid or at least flowing amorphous as opposed to non liquid or determinable ..

We will have to wait for some lawyers ( very literate beings lawyers ) to wake up ..we have many here ..they breed faster than other forms of life ..

"determinable" may or may not actually be a word ...I hereby copyright it ( if it isn't yet )..just in case ..

CygnusX1

1:40 am on Apr 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It always depends on the keyword, but I believe it's best to normally go after the singular with a few keywords that use the plural. If you can add the plural in the title then great and in other forms in the content like "ed" and "ing" as well.

I think many search engines will take in account if your webpage is using the different ways one keyword can be used. I think using all carries a certain amount of weight.

That's my 2 cents.

WebEqualizer

5:37 pm on Apr 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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just use negative words of if you don't want your ads to show up on a keyword like free bikinis, or bikini pictures contest etc...

neveremail

5:49 pm on Apr 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've decided to go with a mixture but concentrating on the singular as my competitors do.

Also I think it might be good to target the plural of a multiword combo.

E.g Great Bikinis

Anymore comments?

chadmg

6:07 pm on Apr 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Two bikinis are always better than one ;)

Leosghost

12:16 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Where I am they are also known as "maillots" in case you want some francophone traffic ..

Frequently they ( girls )only buy /wear the bottom half ..saves on shipping and you can order only the "monokini" from your suppliers..around Ramatuelle they wear neither part so your not gonna get many takers ( I always liked the "scenery" around Ramatuelle..;)..

You may have seen it in the "Gendarme" series of movies with Louis de Funes..true genius and forerunner of monty python sketches etc ...

BTW...Include "Pareo's" ( polynesian wrap around shawls ) and get everyone ...;)

incrediBILL

1:48 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I always target both the word and it's plural.

You may find you can get higher ranking easier in one than you do the other so at least you get something.

jchampliaud

8:56 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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For larryhatch:
I just found this at About – ‘Uncountable nouns are materials, concepts, information, etc. which are not individual objects and can not be counted.’ You could also add that general ideas like work are also not countable but just to confuse you something precise about work i.e. a job is countable.