Keyword Repeat Penalty...here's the magic number

[alphacooler]

I ran WebCEO and its analysis of my pages says that I am 'spamming' my keyword and that anything over 11 repeats on a page is auto-filtered as spam and will consequently kill your ranking. I thought SE's looked at density not repeats. Does anyone have any input here, I find this report hard to believe. Perhaps this is based on analysis of a sample of the population of webpages and found that the top ranking sites only see 11 or less repeats?

[mosaic service]

SEs does look at the repeats.

It checks the no. of times a keyword has been used and consideres spam if keywords are used more then 3 times consecutively in a row.

not good to use same keywords one after the other..

[steve]

I thought SE's looked at density not repeats

I agree 11 repeats in a page with 100 words is one thing, but in a page with 1000 words it's another. Density is the only way to evaluate whether a page is spam.

But repeats in titles, H(x), image alt, outbound links, etc. will start alarm bells ringing!

[mona]

I'm not familiar with this software, but I'd be wary. I'm wondering how they can know a search engine will "auto-filter a site as spam" in the first place.

[Adam_T]

Well i guess they must have some form of measurable metric as a limit, 11 sounds beleibable to me.

[killroy]

No reason that they must... The industry is full of empty claims and false "professionals".

Rules 1-10: Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

SN

[Andromeda]

Steve, you said that repeats of image alts will start alarm bells ringing. In that case I presume that if I had a page which had heaps of pictures on it and I wanted the image alts to say something like...
"A blue widget made by Fred Blogs British Widget Maker"
"A baby widget made by Fred Blogs British Widget Maker"
"A giant widget made by Fred Blogs British Widget Maker"

...I presume that "British Widget Maker" would start alarm bells ringing even though they would be there legitimatly?

PS. How do you do that nice rectangle quoting someone elses reply?

[arran]

Andromeda,

[ quote ]PS. How do you do that nice rectangle quoting someone elses reply?[ /quote ]

without the spaces in the square brackets e.g.

PS. How do you do that nice rectangle quoting someone elses reply?

[Andromeda]

Like this!

Thanks Arran

[arran]

Like this!

Thanks Arran

Nice one...

[Leosghost]

There is certainly not a limit of 11 to keywords usage ..
beware of any soft that claims totell you anything about optimising ( unless I or killroy are selling it to you :) ..
all algo factors and filters depend on your niche and the competition in it and many other factors ...hence "white on white" exists ..and some one posted here the other day in another thread ( it was removed ) the ultimate keyword density white on white keyword spam page that I ever saw must have been close to 50%..( And I have coded some doozies..some of which still work ;) ...

The page in question was number one for a term with over two million entries..

"nothing is what it seems grasshopper"

[steve]

"A blue widget made by Fred Blogs British Widget Maker"
"A baby widget made by Fred Blogs British Widget Maker"
"A giant widget made by Fred Blogs British Widget Maker"

...I presume that "British Widget Maker" would start alarm bells ringing even though they would be there legitimatly?

It may. I agree the above appears natural, but I would be inclined to mix it up a bit:

"English Widget Maker"
"British Widget Makers"
"Makers of British Widgets"

ALT text optimisation contributes very little these days, but the risk of an OOP is relatively high. So I would tend towards cautious optimisation of ALT tags.

Remember the ALT tag is for non graphic browsers, not keyword stuffing. Use it what its really for and you shouldn't have a problem.

[Andromeda]

Thanks for the reply Steve. Much appreciated.