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Paid listings ...

Who will be next?

         

Liane

3:18 pm on Dec 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I feel it is inevitable that Google will soon announce a pay for inclusion and/or pay for "freshness" (frequent crawling) programme.

Since they seem to be keeping the lid on what the "fresh" thing is all about ... I get the feeling they are just teasing us with this new innovation and once we get to expect (like, depend) on it, they'll have their hands out looking for payment.

Along the same lines as Brett's Crystal Ball thread ... what do you all think is in the future for Google, Teoma and Wisenut? Will they remain free? Which ones will start charging and when?

I am concerned about both Teoma and Wisenut because I can't get into Teoma for the life of me and Wisenut seems to have an algo which is somewhat different from both Google and Fast. A search phrase which is #1 on Google and #3 on Fast is #15 on Wisenut. Not much hope of closing that gap successfully without ruining my Google and Fast positions.

I'd be interested to know what everyone thinks the future of these "free" engines are. (yes NFFC ... we know you don't think of them as free ... but for lack of a better term ... ) Which way will they go?

agerhart

6:47 pm on Dec 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Liane, you are bringing up exactly what I predicted in the Search Engine Awards thread. I too also think that it is only a matter of time before Google goes to a paid submission, but I don't think that this will be the end of the engine.

Wisenut still needs to do some work. They need to do some more marketing and advertising to get the name out there before they can contend with the other big guys. Wisenut could be the next Google with the right moves.

Teoma needs to actually be released! ;) I think that with Ask Jeeves behind this operation that there is a very good chance that Teoma will go PFP.

NFFC

7:17 pm on Dec 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

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But we believe the issue of advertising causes enough mixed incentives that it is crucial to have a competitive search engine that is transparent and in the academic realm.

The Anatomy of a Search Engine [www7.scu.edu.au]

Thank you for giving us your ear. You all have a great search engine. To maintain your integrity, it is imperative that you do not monetize your listings. There was a rumor going around that Google has in the works a paid inclusion program. If you denied this claim, it would make me your advocate.

littleman [webmasterworld.com]

I'm not a spokesgoogler. I can't go out on a limb and say "Google will never ever do this," but our "don't charge webmasters" program has been very popular so far.

Googleguy [webmasterworld.com]

Their USP is integrity, I think they would find it very difficult to continue to grow without it. Alltheweb are in a similar position, "All the web, all the time", it will be very interesting to see how their PFI works out. Personally I don't have a problem with PFI, if done well it will draw the $ out of the big players and thus subsidise the free listings. The crunch comes if they stop spidering and adding the free stuff, I can't imagine that G! and Fast would be that stupid especially when they have the advantage of seeing the decline of Ink.

paynt

7:53 pm on Dec 26, 2001 (gmt 0)



Thanks NFFC, that was a terrific post :)

Liane

8:53 pm on Dec 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I don't have a problem with Pay for Inclusion either. I have a huge aversion to pay per click and positively despise pay for placement programmes.

Pay for placement is exclusionary and will force the little guy out of the game and also drive product prices up in order to cover the cost of advertising.

The reason I asked for predictions about these three engines in particular (and I should probably have included Fast as well) ... is because many of us seem to be in the same position. We all have our eggs in Google's basket which is never a healthy situation for any business. One change in their algo could be devastating for a small business.

I would like to try to cover my bases better, but frankly, there just doesn't seem to be anywhere to go. With the advent of Yahoo's new placement programme, the whole Inktomi debacle, Excite going down the tubes, Alta Vista's dismal hits ... etc., etc. It seems we are all in a very scary situation.

Just trying to figure out how to protect my little business now that it is finally operating relatively well.