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Some ideas related to PR, LinkPop, etc.

Mostly a Google thing... For now...

     

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2:31 pm on Nov 16, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Hello everyone-

I just ran across an idea within my own mind, that I assume would help out - and wanted to share it for comments or feedback.

When you have a website, and begin to analyze logs and stats, you can of course see where you get some referrals.

Okay, so, you look at the URL's supplying you with random traffic.. even a few hits a day. Then, using Google-Bar, you see if that URL has even been indexed. If it hasn't, and is a legitimate source of information or could help - why not submit that URL to google yourself?

If your page suffers from a low Google PR (which could possibly be because of low link pop - right?) - is it advisable to submit URLS that are directing traffic like this?

It just seems like a logical process in that you can lend a helping hand to the other webmaster, and in turn, boost some of your own PR.

Any thoughts on this?
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2:38 pm on Nov 16, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Speedster,

This is something that has been discussed here on a few diferent levels:

- SEO value
- Ethics

In regards to the value of this process, I think that it might work. The only thing is that Google has noted that submitting to them does not matter, so maybe your efforts will be in vain.

If your site is in the DB, why not post a link to their site until they appear in the DB, at which point you can take the link down.

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don't submit it to Google...submit it to dmoz perhaps if it isn't there, but then you are getting into choosing directory categories for somebody else

it isn't something I do as such...though as a dmoz editor I actually have to seek out the sites of my "competitors" and list them

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"The only thing is that Google has noted that submitting to them does not matter, so maybe your efforts will be in vain."

...So, adding a URL to Google will not result in it being crawled and indexed? Why is that, and what is the best way to get it into the Google DB?

God that scares me... I love Google, and submitting to them always worked in the past. I wonder why, now, it does not. Please let me know

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Get a listing in Yahoo, DMOZ, or on another site that is already in the DB. If your site is good, they'll find ya!
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I do just what you've outlined, SS. I have a macro that harvests each and every incoming url, deletes those from domains that I do not want to acknowledge, sorts the high priority ones (edu, gov, mil) to the top, and then builds a hallway page. The hallway page is linked to a page that has a large number of directory listings and is indexed by every significant crawling engine. I also submit the edu-gov-mil group using dumptruck.
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>>>adding a URL to Google will not result in it being crawled and indexed?

Link back to it and submit.

What Google is saying is that if you don't submit the site and it is linked to from a site in their index then they will eventually find it.

It only takes a second to submit the site and it will not hurt you or them to do it.

Just depending on DMOZ could take longer than you are hoping for. That isn't to say don't submit the site to them, just don't rely on it all the way.

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>>don't submit it to Google...submit it to dmoz perhaps if it isn't there<<

I would say that submitting someone else's site to dmoz is a giant no-no... perhaps the most unethical thing you could do. Should dmoz decide to include the site, it would be your description, not the site owner's, and those descriptions are usually engraved in stone.

As for submitting a site to Google, that wouldn't hurt anybody... probably won't help either. Google only indexes sites that have external links to them, and they spider so fast that they'd probably find it without you.

I sometimes wonder whether to optimize pages that are linked to me (talking here about sites that I know), figuring that might help me too.

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Thank you for all of your advice. I have taken a back seat with the particular project I was working on that generated my original post.

I thank you all though, for sharing advice from both a professional and industry-ethical point of view.

I'm hoping that I get to see a few of my friendly spiders in the logs soon too, and heard rumor of a Google update being on the way...

Thanks again all, for everyhting. It's much appreciated!

~Speedster