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SEO_newbie

3:39 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0)



Hello

Is there any independent research data on whether having a listing in the top five is more beneficial then just being on the first page?

Do more people click into a listing if it is just in the top 5, within eye view or are visitors likely to scroll down and even click onto subsequent pages?

In my opinion, it is sufficient to have a top 10 listing. As long as a company has one of these positions then it is up to the visitor to click on the first or tenth listing. The visitor has freedom of choice to make the desired selection.

Another reason for posing this question is that a lot of SE optimisers charge for getting a keyword on the first page, then less for the second and even cheaper for the third page - but does this really help in terms of ROI if visitors only select a site if it is in the top ten.

Yes, I understand that for certain keywords then branded sites will do better than lesser known sites but what about highly competitive keywords. What if all 10 listings are from well known companies?

agerhart

3:45 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I think that people need to explain to their clients that a listing on the first and second page for their targeted keywords which brings them targeted traffic is better than a top five position for a term that they did not intentionally target.

This may be off topic, but I felt this somewhat applied.

>>>What if all 10 listings are from well known companies?>>>

This is a different situation. If the keyword is "airlines", without even checking I can bet that some of the big dogs will take up the main spots.

>>>>Is there any independent research data on whether having a listing in the top five is more beneficial then just being on the first page?>>>>

In my opinion, a top ten, and sometimes a top 20 is sufficient, depending on the site, the category, and how much optimization effort was put forth

TallTroll

4:19 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

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What about the relative values of 10th and 11th place?

I could concieve of circumstances where the top of the first page was pretty low on relevance, a surfer might look at the second page instead of checking the bottom of the first (I know I have done this occasionally). 11th place would then be worth more than you might think for a 2nd page placing.

Is there any truth in that, or are the SEs getting too good at giving good 1st page results?

agerhart

4:21 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>>>Is there any truth in that, or are the SEs getting too good at giving good 1st page results?>>>

Not in my opinion....

SEO_newbie

5:10 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0)



Thanks for the replies. I do agree what it essentially comes down to is relevance. Results on Google for the keyword 'airline' maybe totally different to that on alta vista.

Someone said to me that there was an independent report that claimed, 70% of users were more likely to click on a listing on the first page, 20% would go through to the second page, etc

I just wanted to know if there was any truth about this.

sean

5:27 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

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On Google I get nervous if my site does not rank as "I'm feeling lucky" on the primary keywords. Why chance it? ;) (Yes, I "blame" Google for being too good.)

My experience has been that #1's-#2's for niche keywords can bring more (and better) traffic than #30's-#31's on far more popular keywords. YMMV. That isn't independent research data, but often the only way to get good research data online is to do it yourself. That said, you might want to look into the Goto clickthrough reports.

sean

5:48 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

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<added>
While not search engines per se, you can also witness the top-to-bottom phenomenon on various types of link pages with click-tracking enabled. There is often a similar distribution of ranking/response; the top sites get the lion's share and the bottom sites pick up the stragglers. Again, not apples/apples and not a scientific study, but I think it translates to some degree, plus you can wander the WWW and witness it for yourself, too.

Black Knight

6:11 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Good question, but the answer is a complex one because it doesn't matter so much what position you are in on the first page, what matters more is what is ranked above you.

The average searcher types in their query and then scans the results, clicking on the first listing that seems to provide what they want.

Poor descriptions or irrelevancy of the topmost listings to the searcher's desire will make them continue far lower down the page before making their first click, and of course, the first click may not be their last.

But, one thing that is certain is that if a site ranked above you provides what the searcher is seeking and satisfies that searcher, they won't continue to click - they go off, job complete.

The important thing therefore is to be the highest-placed, best-described, satisfying listing for your target market. Make sure no site above you is going to attract them first, or worse yet, result in the searcher's satisfaction.

Ammon Johns

Black Knight

6:16 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I should also include the other factor, just to be thorough. If an engine provides too many irrelevant listings higher than yours, the searcher may search again with different (more specific) keywords, or may instead try another search engine. This is the primary factor behind the 3 page rule.

Ammon Johns