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adamcmoran

2:43 pm on Jun 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Are there any kind of re-directs that won't get a site banned by the search engines?

Adam
Are META refreshes a no no?

agerhart

2:48 pm on Jun 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

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bad.....bad.......bad...

even though there are some legit uses of the redirect, I think that it is still flagged as bad by the SE's no matter what.

Wait to get a 2nd opinion.

Hunter

2:53 pm on Jun 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>Are META refreshes a no no?
No...they are a no, no, no!

js re-directs stand the best chance of flying below radar as far as I have seen...

adamcmoran

2:59 pm on Jun 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

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You say javascript redirects have the "best chance" does this mean that they are still bad??

Adam
P.S Do you guys know much about how spiders treat secure pages I have one response so no go!

Hunter

3:07 pm on Jun 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

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The whole trick lies in convincing the spider (just in case it is screening for this) that your redirect has an importance to your page/site other than just SEO.

adamcmoran

3:10 pm on Jun 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

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No wishing to be a thicky or steal any secrets but how does one go about that?

agerhart

3:15 pm on Jun 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

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convincing may be fine for the human-reviewed, but what about the ones that are all automated----crawled and spidered?

adamcmoran

3:18 pm on Jun 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

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That is what i was thinking !!

agerhart

3:22 pm on Jun 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I would say to be careful

toolman

3:44 pm on Jun 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I have used meta refreshes at 45 second intervals with no ill effects. I wouldn't use this as the index however. You could also write a metarefresh from an external js file.

If you use an external js redirect there's very little chance that it will be noticed at all. Pretty safe so far.

Macguru

4:51 pm on Jun 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I use external JS "window.replace" redirection scripts for 58 sites that uses frames, Flash or some dynamic pages, for over a year now.

I never got into troubles, since I don't use it for spamming purposes. It is a lot less maintenance than cloaking for all those clients who cannot afford it. I never uses this without my clients written consentement.

I use doc type declarations on all optimised pages so redirects occurs for valid reasons.

I noticed everything is fine by hiding those scripts in a protected folder.

I suggest you will benefit staying miles away from meta refresh.

ideavirus

7:16 am on Jun 17, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Hi all,

macguru...i was wondering if you tell me more about this...??
>>>>I use doc type declarations on all optimised pages so redirects occurs for valid reasons<<<<<

Thanks....:)

Macguru

11:49 am on Jun 17, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Hi ideavirus,

I will try to make sense explaining this, OK? (read it with a French accent à la Cluzo for more fun) :)

I am really not sure about how this can influence SE positions or avoid beeing penalised for using JavaScript redirects. I will not pretend it helps in any way, but serving valid HTML products seems to be a good idea in general, so I just do that to keep on the safe side.

Part of pages optimisation is to make them W3C valid HTML. Any valid HTML pages start with a "dtd" or document type declaration. This segment is supposed to tell the browser wich kind and version of HTML document it deals with so it can render them faster. I don't know if any spider read them.

I use redirects mainly for framed sites. Generally, I promote existing sites I do not build them. So I choose the closest dtd that fit. This is to avoid that some main page beeing found on some search engine and beeing displayed without navigation or eye candy frames. I make sure that all redirects lead to a proper frameset.

For instance main pages will use this dtd:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

The redirect will call the frameset this page is supposed to be opened in that will have this dtd:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Frameset//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/frameset.dtd">

I have a couple of "guinea pigs" sites wich I own and that I use for experiments. I have not tested yet for any difference in page rank with HTML validity alone.