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Should I have keywords on every page of my site

Keyword question

         

Andromeda

12:29 am on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi. Can anyone tell me if I search engines look for meta tags (keywords) on all the pages of my web site or just the home page.

Many thanks for your time.

BeeDeeDubbleU

6:17 am on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to Webmasterworld Andromeda.

Search engines like Google don't index web sites. They index each webpage separately so each of your pages should be viewed as an opportunity to get found for different KWs.

tomda

6:29 am on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Welcome in WW.

Every page is dealt individually by SE.

Metakeywords and metadescription are needed but they are not the most important nowadays. I currently have ONE metadescription for the all website and different metakeywords per main section.

But you should make sure that you have a different title on every page with different texts in h elements (h1 to h5) taking keywords from your title.

Andromeda

11:42 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thank you both for your replies - that's really helpful.

A couple more questions.

1. Is there a recommended maximum number of keyword phrases for each page?

2. When I design pages I have not been using heading tags I've just been specifying what I want the text to look like e.g. <font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2"> From what you've said Tomda and from what I've read since I presume I would be far better off using the Heading tags?

BeeDeeDubbleU

6:00 am on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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H1, H2, etc. are important factors (or opportunities) in SEO. You should use them accordingly.

Re Keyword density have a look at this recent thread [webmasterworld.com...] There are many more in the archives if you care to dig them out.

hp11

5:26 pm on Apr 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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1) I try to go for no more than 2-3 keyword/keyword phrases per page.

2) I use one H1, one H2 and one H3 per page. I have never used anything past an H3.

3) I also never use more than one H1 tag per page and I don't use too many keywords/keyword phrases that my pages sound or look spammy.

Andromeda

12:22 am on Apr 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi BeeDeeDubbleU and hp11. Thank you heaps for your responses. I've looked at the recommended thread thank you.

With the H tags. Can I still specify the font size I want or is it best not to? Sorry if this is a dumb question!

I really do appreciate your comments.

tomda

12:47 am on Apr 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No problem, you can keep the style in the H element tag (as long as you don't play around with transparency or font color identical to your background color or any other hack you may do to add keywords hidden to users - really not recommended).

But if you have a bit of knowledge of style sheet (CSS), it would be much easier and faster to use a single style sheet.

Andromeda

1:53 am on Apr 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for your comments tomda. They're really helpful. I've actually just been taught the html code for CSS (Yesterday) by my 14 year old!

BeeDeeDubbleU said earlier that search engines index pages separately rather than the web site as a whole. I have misunderstood the whole search engine thing as I thought that search engines only searched homepages and therefore it was pointless having a homepage which had a couple of graphics on and hardly any text because there wouldn't be much for the search engine to find. But since search engines do search each page seperately then it would be ok to have a nice little fancy home page. Is that right?

ogletree

1:56 am on Apr 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You should emphasize one keyword phrase per page.

Andromeda

1:49 am on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thank you for your comment ogletree. If it is indeed true that I should only use one keyword phrase per page why is it that in many cases when I search for something, the pages that come up first have heaps of key words?

BeeDeeDubbleU

6:29 am on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think what Ogletree was saying is that it is best that you target just one KW or phrase per page but there is nothing wrong with slipping in another one or two if the content will support this.

ogletree

6:51 am on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Your title needs to convert. Just ranking will not get you sells. That means the title should read like a sales pitch. Titles are good but they don't mean that much when it comes to ranking for a tough word. You can rank for any term you want with any title. Write the title so that it gets clicks not rank. Rank is worthless without clicks.

rogerd

1:31 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Andromeda, I think there are two discussions going on here:

1. "keywords" - meaning the words or phrases "targeted" by a page, i.e., the words or phrases you design the page to ranks for

2. "keywords" - the content of the keywords META tag

When Ogletree suggests targeting one keyword per page, he means that he thinks it is best to optimize the page for a single keyword or phrase, i.e. "blue widgets". The keywords meta tag on that page, though, might contain related words, alternate spellings, etc.

If you are asking about the keywords meta tag, I wouldn't spend much time thinking about it. The major SEs don't use it. I still usually fill it in, as some smaller SEs and private search bots may still accord it some weight, but it's no big deal.

Andromeda

1:17 am on Apr 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thank you for your replies. You guys are awesome. This search engine stuff is very confusing! I read somewhere on the web that 4 KW per page was recommended but people here seem to have different opinions! :-)

It would certainly make it easier to write the text if I only had to support 1 or 2 kw.

Point taken about the title.

And thanks for comments about the 2 types of keywords. That's really helpful.

Stefan

1:58 am on Apr 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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But since search engines do search each page seperately then it would be ok to have a nice little fancy home page.

You can, meaning that you don't have to think in terms of all your traffic coming into that main page, and so having to fill it with every kw, in the text, that you can think of. Other pages can be focussed on lots of other kw's, with many variations in the <title></title>. That's the best way to go... lots of text-heavy, pertinent pages, focussed on lots of kw's, with appropriate linking steering the PR to the pages that you really want to do well.

BUT, many of your incoming links will be to the index/default page, www.example.org, so you want to have it optimized for your most important kw's, (which might only be 3 or 4 different words), and include variations, "widget" "widgeting", in regular html text, in a way that reads naturally and fits in with what you're trying to do. A couple of usages of every one of the main kw variations will usually do it. If it's written naturally, then you'll have the variations appearing in various orders, so "widgets by widget-king", "widget-kings widgets", will all be covered, (SE's pay attention to word order for the serps).

For sure, don't spam the index page with the same words repeated a whole heap of times... it looks trashy to your visitors, let alone SE's.

KW metatags don't make much difference with any of the SE's. Stick a few of them in, and forget about it.

jimbeetle

3:33 am on Apr 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hey Andromeda,

I always think that any discussion about handling more than a handful of keywords in a site should give a nod to one of Brett's classic articles, Search Engine Theme Pyramids [searchengineworld.com].

It's very intuitive and very basic, and that sounds like just what you need right now. It goes from the general through to the specific "money" phrases. It's very flexible, you can scale it down, you can scale it up; it's the idea that counts.

Keep in mind that when you read about keyword phrases in that article, these are the ones that are going to be (should be) woven through your page title, meta description, meta keywords, h1, and your body text.

Write naturally, don't force anything, be fluid.

The meta keywords isn't really as necessary as it was, well, it seems like eons ago. Yahoo is the only major that is known to use it to some extent, as rogerd pointed out, for mispellings, etc. But I think including them is a good discipline; I know it helps me focus on what I think the page is about.

Andromeda

7:54 pm on Apr 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks heaps for your comments. I know that it is the policy of Webmaster World for people not to display links to their web sites but I notice that there is the facility to receive private messgaes (sticky mail). Would it be possible for some you to sticky mail me links to your sites so that I can see KW etc in action, or is that also not allowed?

nickreynolds

4:39 pm on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This is v helpful. Does it matter where my keywords and description tags go? Should it be after title tag? Can it be top of page, can it be bottom of page?

In answering above please differentiate between desirable and essential! as it may mean I need to change a lot of pages!