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They claim that they can easily get someone under the 100,000 mark, the idea being that the manipulated figures allow people to wow potential advertisers (obviously unethical). I have a general idea of what it is they are doing, and their site's own alexa rating was indeed pretty good. I'm guessing, though, that taking part in something like that and sending fake traffic is a sure way to get you booted from google and/or yahoo?
I'm not totally sure what it is they do, but I was wondering if search engines were hip to it.
A, it ain't worth nothin.
B, Do it yourself. Install the Alexa toolbar on your machine, make the site homepage your browser home page, and just open your browser or return to the home page about a dozen or so times during the day.
...the manipulated figures allow people to wow potential advertisers
Well, out of the loop advertisers maybe. Or you could more easily wow them by taking five minutes to educate them on why those rankings mean so little and have them forever grateful that they will never fall for the 'I have an Alexa ranking of 99,999' spiel again.
Of course... in the loop advertisers are already writing you off as soon as you mention the ranking.
Disclaimer: The very high rankings (say under 5,000) do mean something. Either they do have genuinely high traffic, or they have a community of web-savvy or webmaster type users - ala WebmasterWorld. But if they're offering you 100,000 as a goal? pffffttt!
What changed? I now block Korea (too many hackers / script kidddies, no customers) - for whatever reason a large portion of Alexa's user base is out of Korea.
May be useful in getting a rough idea of traffic to -larger- sites.
If you're in the business of impressing potential customers then having a good alexa rating could be a selling point for your services - that is if you are in the business of fooling people into believing you know how to generate traffic.
As a publisher I can care less about faking a good alexa rating. It's not going to drive additional traffic or increase my commissions.
I'm not so sure about metricsmarket.com. I checked my traffic there one day and it said I had 36,000 visiters over the last 30 days. The very next day I checked it, and it said I had over 72,000 visiters over the last 30 days. And no, I didn't have 36k visitors in a single day.
Any idea how they estimate traffic?
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This might have changed as I have uninstalled that spyware a few months ago. Do a quick check and find a geocities homepage and you'll have your answer.
Alexa to me is nothing more than a fun little tool to play around with. It's basically a sneaky way of plugging adware into your computer. It does absolutely nothing for me.
Stats below the 50K point are meaningless. It is sooo easy to manipulate.
The alexa browser bar is spyware.
> However, in my position, I get 10-15 calls per day from media companies stating that their site gets 50,000 visitors per day and advertising with them is a smart move. Going to their site and seeing that their Alexa ranking is 3.2 million, that tells me right there they are lying
The only useful thing about it in the sub 50K point.
-- BUT --
Above 15K it does show who the big players are, this should be taken with a good deal of thought though. Each market has differing user bases and these are more or less likely to have Alexa installed, in the webmastering world then installations of the bar will be more common than in the fashion world.
This means WebmasterWorld has a higher position compared to leading fashion sites; but when comparing like with like the relative positions are useful.
Going to their site and seeing that their Alexa ranking is 3.2 million, that tells me right there they are lying
>> Above 15 K...
I would say above 10K...
The lower the number (i.e. the better the rank) the more likely that it's not fiddled by the owners. There are a lot of things
to watch out for. Geocities types, artificially bumped rank (compare traffic rank with "reach") etc. A domain that redirects to
a well ranked site will continue to carry that good rank even when it becomes a standalone page with zero visitors. We've had
one like that which is still holding the exact same rank as the page it used to redirect to two years ago.
Having a good Alexa rank does help as a little bargaining point when you are selling sites ;)
As does a good trafficranking.com rank, and PR.
i think i am using my website from alexa thats why we are getting such a good ranking.
but i dont think we should belive on alexa ranking bcos there no logic behind alexa ranking as per my observations.
now i got the idea that how to bring high ranking on alexa.
use your website regularly in alexa tool bar and after some days you will find your website got a very nice ranking on alexa.
anybody can give any reliable ranking systems detail?
In the space of about 3-4 weeks, the rank went from around 4,500,000 to about 260,000. And that was ONE person with the toolbar installed (a bit of a forum junkie, though). That being said, its clear that Alexa ratings don't mean a whole lot unless its someone in the top 15,000.
I just installed the Alexa toolbar last week, and then look at our web site a couple of times per day.
Rank rose from over 1,000,000 to under 800,000 in a couple of days and will no doubt rise more. All the "indicators" such as "reach", "pageviews rank" all up by several hundred percent just from ONE toolbar. Meaningless drivel unless you're in the top few thousand I reckon.
One of our competitors wrote a ridiculous email to many local businesses, including us, about linking between us making us stronger etc..and proudly saying their site was the most visited in our niche, with an Alexa rank of..blah blah. I guess he has the toolbar installed on several computers. Well, I guess we'll catch up soon enough.
Why? Because I find the comparitive figures within my sector very useful - and I don't want to mess that up.
I also use Alexa to educate potential advertisers. (Many of whom are EXTREMELY non tech-savvy, and advertise on sites that nobody ever visits, then wonder why they don't get any results!
I've been monitoring my sites, and about 50 others in my sector monthly for 4 years now - and apart from a blip in 2001 when it hugely over-counted my site, it seems pretty accurate. (I believe they've changed their algo since 2001).
You can watch sites come and go in popularity over the months and years, and often see WHY as well - (adding new content, lots of advertising, etc).
Having seen the Hitwise data for my sector, there were some differences (you'd expect that, I was looking at Hitwise UK data), but not a lot of huge surprises - I already knew the relative sizes of most of the players from Alexa. Sure Hitwise data is more robust - but at the price, so it should be!
In other words, all the sites I KNOW the stats of ('cos I have access to the logs), are in the right order, roughly where you'd expect them to be given their traffic.
Sure it's not infallible - it COULD be manipulated (if you had nothing better to do - though I don't think anyone in my sector is bothering) - data outside the top 100,000 or so isn't too meaningful, and comparing figures across subject areas would be a bad idea.
But used carefully, and interpreted properly, I find Alexa data extremely useful.