optimum site structure

internal linkage

[rayjam]

I have a page on my site which has quite alot of links to other pages. Many of these links contain words which are repititions of similar links. Can anyone advise whether the search engines will
1. recognise the numerous word repitition in the links as spam and stop spidering the rest of the site.
2. recognise the spam problem but continue to follow the links to the other pages and then consider the one page as being a tiny percentage of the entire site and then index.
3. Ban the site entirely.

I am reluctant to submit my site page until I know a little more. For instance, is there an optimum number of links from any one page. Can you have too many outgoing links from one page?
On the other hand, which SE's will spider an entire site from one or more site pages these days? Come to think of it is there an optimum number of pages for a high ranking site? Do big sites (1000's of pages) get pushed up or down the ranks?

[Brett_Tabke]

1: unique page content on the destination link? no problem.
2: yes it will follow, but if the page is of low or no value, it may hurt the entire site.
3: not unless you do something that is se spam (inviso text, mega density, repetition of kw's)

outbound links: keep it under 75. It had been generally recognized that anything over 50-75 outbound is identified as a links page and tossed out.

Which ones are spidering in full? Right now that appears to be Google and Fast. Ink will over time, but they don't list the pages, so what there is little point.

[rayjam]

Thanks - sage advice as always.

[sagerock]

That's not 'sage' advice, that's 'brett' advice!

Haha...

sincerely,
Sage ;)

[Marcia]

Inversely, is there a problem if the same group(s) of pages are being linked to from more than one location within a site? For example, can there be a site map leading to *all* the pages, and also still be separate pages which will link to only certain specific categories within the site?

hehe, very cute sage! :)

[lizzie]

I invite comments from those who know about my latest experiment:

Here is how I am going to link my site of 100 pages:

My index page is my main page. At the bottom will be a
column of 100 links (the anchor of each link will be the
keyword each page is targeting.)

Each of these 100 pages (which each target a specific keyword)
will have a list at the bottom of all the links back to each page in the site. Instead of text links these will be transparent 1 X 1
clear pixels like this:

<a href='keyword.html'><img src='clrpxl.gif' height='1' width='1' border='0'></a>

I'm aiming for Yahoogle (or anything!)

Will this simple approach work?

[Rockintom]

Lizzie,
If I were you I would consider dropping the "height='1' width='1'" attributes which will make the fact that the links are hidden stick out like a sore thumb.

[Robert Charlton]

>>Ink will over time, but they don't list the pages, so what there is little point.<<

Inktomi does keep these in their Web map though, which can affect relevance of associated pages. Conceivably, this might mean a higher ranking for the site as a whole.

From what I've heard Inktomi say publicly, it may also be that if you can get at least one link to a page from an external domain, that page might get listed.

Inktomi is very much about cost effectiveness... how many pages they can afford to return to their users, and how to decide which pages in their Web map are the most important to return.

[rayjam]

Hi lizzie
From the advice I have gathered from this forum it is best to keep outgouing links to max 75 split your 100 pages into 2 categories and link from your index to a couple of sitemap pages with a category for each . Google and fast will find them. Don't bother linking back from your internal pages to the index page just provide a link to the opposite sitemap page on the alternate 50 pages.