SE optimization

im doing good for doing everything bad

[thehittmann]

Ok im doing all the things that SE's hate...
My site has flash, it is a frames site, im using a redirect with url cloaking.
My site gets #1 listing on almost all search engines and i get #1 and #2 listings on google for my keywords. Google has every page of my site indexed.

What am I doing right?

[troels nybo nielsen]

Perhaps you have chosen to target the right (easy, non-competitive) keywords?

[thehittmann]

on google there are 77 pages for the 2 word keyword that i searched.
what does a competitive keyword mean?

[Nick_W]

>> 77 pages for the 2 word keyword

Several million would be fairly competitive...

Nick

[thehittmann]

I entered a different 2 word combo and showed up 12 in results.

[troels nybo nielsen]

Theoretically a keyword may be fairly competitive though it is only used on perhaps a few thousand pages. Quality counts more than quantity.

But in real life it is a bit different. It's a good rule of thumb that for every single competent webmaster who uses a keyword there will be several thousands who are incompetent.

So all in all Nick's comment sums it up very precisely.

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If you want to compete on competitive keywords it takes lots of hard work. Basically there are two different ways:

1. Create lots of quality content that is easily accessible for search engines' spiders. That takes a lot of work by you or someone else.

2. Get to know a lot about how to cheat search engines. That proces takes work too. And it's dangerous.

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I'm not so sure that search engines hate frames. But lots of human users do.

Oh, and welcome to WebmasterWorld!

[thehittmann]

ty troels nybo nielsen

[gwilliamj]

I agree with Nybo... I'd guess you're not making any money with your website site Hitman or else the tactic you use wouldn't be very effective against mainstream expectations.

[thehittmann]

I have no idea how my question relates to weather my site is for money making purposes. My site is for a Band i get #1 pos on everything that relates to them, genre, name, location. Google bot visits often...all pages are indexed (15 at this time) and i update it regularly.

The question I asked was if SE's dont rank pages well that use cloaking, frames or Redirection.....and Flash
Then why does my local band get #1 of say....a site for band known worldwide. To be more specific.

[willybfriendly]

Hey, sometimes you just fall into it. I have a site that holds #5&6 on G out of 2.7 million. Never really tried to optimize for it.

Stuff happens...

Oh, it is not what I would consider a competitive term. No money in it that I know of, and little if any competition. Doesn't generate much traffic either.

WBF

[JayC]

I have no idea how my question relates to weather my site is for money making purposes.

What that question was getting at is whether the search terms (keywords) you were talking about were "competitive." What that means, simply enough, is that a significant number of people are actively competing for them.

For the most part the stiffest competition is over keyword phrases that bring searchers that will spend money. Site operators chasing those terms spend time learning how to optimize well, and pay other experts to do it for them. Further, there tend to be a large number of sites attempting to get traffic for profitable keywords.

If you're in one of those areas, you have to play the game very well to beat out a million or more other pages, at least a few hundred of them very well optimized, going after the same searchers you're looking for. If you're not in one of those competitive areas, your task is much easier... and you get away with doing some things that might not be successful otherwise.

The question I asked was if SE's dont rank pages well that use cloaking, frames or Redirection.....and Flash
Then why does my local band get #1 of say....a site for band known worldwide.

Most likely because that band's site, their reknown notwithstanding, is not well optimized for the keywords you think they're chasing.

Count yourself lucky, and if that position is important to you... don't tell them. :)

[thehittmann]

Tyvm for the last 2 posts Made things much clearer.
Different keywords get between 2000 and 1,430,000 sites
my site gets #1 upto around the 60,000 sites keywords that i have, then slips right off as the searching gets broader.

Im happy with the position I have now, Is there a certain key to getting a higher position in the more competative keyword that generates 1,430,000 sites?

Or does it all have to do with how many pages on my site have relevant content to that specific keyword?

[thehittmann]

oh I just checked another 2 word keyword combo 91,000 sites
with pages of my site listed 1,2,4,6,19

[trillianjedi]

Anchor text and page titles.

Same old same old.

TJ