Forum Moderators: open

Message Too Old, No Replies

Top in Google but Nowhere in Yahoo! AOL.

WebSite Coming 1st in Google, but nowhere in SE Powered by Google.com....

         

jaydeep

6:50 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Hi All,

I am new overhear and need your support. I am promoting one website in Search Engines, that is example.com and this website is coming on 1st position with "example words" key phrase, but when I search in Yahoo! and AOL with same key phrase, site is no where? This thing is happening from last 2 weeks.

Can you people help me out to solve this problem? What should I do and what is missing.

Waiting for help.

Regards,
Jaydeep...

[edited by: Woz at 8:12 am (utc) on Nov. 24, 2003]
[edit reason] No URLs or Specific please. TOS#13 [/edit]

troels nybo nielsen

7:43 pm on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Welcome to WebmasterWorld, Jaydeep.

I have no experiences with AOL, but you can expect Yahoo! to use some filters and some members have reported that Yahoo! results sometimes look rather much like Inktomi.

jaydeep

8:23 am on Nov 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Hi Troels,

Thanks for your inputs. As you said I kept cool, 2 days back site was coming in Yahoo! and again next day it's not in Yahoo! :(

Well can you help to guide on how to list all pages of the website. Currently while I am promoting website only home page or index page is getting listed and not inner pages. I tried putting site map, text links of all pages at the bottom on every page etc... but it's of now use.

Please guide.

Jaydeep

troels nybo nielsen

1:32 pm on Nov 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



The situation is somewhat confusing right now. Google's recent update seems to have made rather dramatic changes for some keywords. And it is very unclear what Yahoo! and MSN and AOL will decide to do.

Will Yahoo! skip Google altogether and use some mixture of Inktomi/Alta Vista/Alltheweb?

Will MSN skip Inktomi and build their own search engine? Or use Google?

What will AOL do?

The really professional webmasters have strategies that take all possiblities into consideration. That is hardly possible for you or me, but we can do SOMETHING.

The first thing you have to do if you want to fare reasonably well in search engines is to ensure that they know the existence of your website(s) and as many as possible of your individual pages.

This is mostly a question of one thing: LINKS. Links to your website(s) on other people's websites. And internal links on your own website(s). Links that are easily found and read by humans and spiders.

The next thing is to have search engines actually visit and read and index those pages. Sometimes it is very difficult to find out why a page has not been visited, but there are some golden rules. Here are a few of the ideas behind my own way of building websites:

Don't overdo it. Webmasters have tried thousands of different ways to cheat search engines. And little by little the people at the search engines build filters into their algorithms to avoid the cheating. Even if you do not consciously try to cheat you may trigger such a filter. The best way to avoid filters is to build everything natural and user-friendly.

Try to create a website that has a natural strength in its niche on the web. Create good content that other webmasters will want to link to. Make your website into a natural entity where everything fits together. Search engines tend to favour websites that they consider to be "good". It may be very difficult to understand how they make that judgement, but in Google's case the PR of the individual pages may give you some idea. If your index page has a high PR you may hope to have many pages spidered by googlebot.

To summarize: It's about links and content and design. Create lots of good content and link it well together. And get other people to link to you. And make a nice, clean design where everything is easy to find. Don't fill your code with things that are of no use to your visitors. And don't cheat or do anything that LOOKS like cheating.

lorenbaker

3:20 pm on Nov 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



It also sometimes takes a while for Yahoo and AOL to update their licensed Google indexes, from my experience.

Shadows Papa

3:13 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I'll complicate things a bit there - I've noted that on the non-Google searches, my sites come up different positions every week, even with the same words used to "search".
Now the kicker - I can "look for" my site with key words I know will find it and I'll find it in the top few - HOWEVER, what will OTHER people use to find my sites?
Hmmm?
I can show people how I can build a page that will for sure turn up eventually in the top 10 - but I know what words to use, what to look for. (tricks those marketing people use to sell their worthless services) How do we know what other people look for?
Say I sell red widgets. I can place words on my pages and make it so with a set of 3 words used to look for it, I'll find it all the time. But what if others search using different words - and how do I know what words they use? What if most people look for red widgets using totally different words - like "maroon thingies"?
Those "word tracker" thingies I find almost worthless. A thesaurus is just as useful. And it's only $29.95.

I guess what I'm asking is - Is there a way to track HOW people who found YOUR site actually found it - and what words THEY REALLY used to find YOUR site?

Shadows Papa

superscript

3:15 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)



Top in Google - but ranking badly elsewhere!

Post Florida - would you care to swap websites with me!

troels nybo nielsen

3:30 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



> Is there a way to track HOW people who found YOUR site actually found it - and what words THEY REALLY used to find YOUR site?

Yes: Study your logs carefully. Test your positions in search engines for search terms that you find in your logs though not having targetted them with your pages. My logs are among my most important sources for inspiration.

Shadows Papa

3:39 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I buy hosting services from an ISP in Ohio. I've never seen any logs.
(I must buy the service as I don't have any access other than dial-up - we live in a rural area with no good connections. Otherwise, my own server would be on the web)
To what logs do you refer?
The server is Microsoft based running IIS and it's maintained using FP2002 (XP)
Logs - curious - enlighten me please.

Shadows Papa

troels nybo nielsen

3:46 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



The best place to be enlightened is this forum: Tracking and Logging [webmasterworld.com]. There you meet people who are real experts on the subject.

rfung

6:50 am on Dec 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



papa:

your hosting service should be able to provide you with either an online web log analyzer or the log files that you can download and then analyze with some other third party tool.

I use an old version of Web Trends analyzer, but that's by no means any glowing referral of the product.