SE'S PR and Linking

Need some SE hints please

[thehittmann]

Well, my sites been up on the web now for around 6 months. At the start it ranked well on all SE's. I re-developed my site as I learnt more about HTML, Flash and Java. My new updated site was indexed and still gets #1 positon hits on alltheweb, mamma, ask, lycos, and a few others, ranks 8 or 9 on a couple of others. For some reason a little while ago a google bot came to visit. Since the visit, I've been really promoting, getting many 2,3,4,5 pr links to my site. After the last visit from googlebot my site totally disappeared from the big 3 SE's google, yahoo and hotbot. Ive been going forward and getting better links. What could have caused this disappearance? Not sure if allowed to post my URL in here but for a #1 position hit on alltheweb using keywords, [snip]. Please give me a hand and let me know if i've done something wrong here.
Thanks.

[edited by: pageoneresults at 11:09 am (utc) on Nov. 16, 2003]
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[layer8]

the moderators have taken out your url, if you send me a sticky note with the URL i'll have a look for you.

[takagi]

If the problem is that sub pages are no longer indexed, your problem could have been caused by using Flash and Java. Google has a problem finding/following those links.

[thehittmann]

Java and flash links have been added, I also have text links on all pages. text links to every page on my site are on teh intro page. They are not invisable links. but are the same colour as the background.

[thehittmann]

Another thing that I dont understand is that my first page, and my main page both have PR 2, but cannot be found at all on google for direct hits, or backlinks.
Although if you search the SE's you can clearly find clean links to my site.

[mcavill]

They are not invisable links. but are the same colour as the background.

I'm not sure if I've understood that correctly, if they're the same color as the background, it sounds as though they'd be invisible, which might be a problem - i'd think you need to make them visible to the human eye to stop google thinking you're spamming.

As for the backlinks search most people believe google only shows links that are greater than PR4, although it does factor them in - you could try the search on alltheweb.com. At the moment google is updating it's index, and it's questionable whether they have all the data in as yet, your site ranking may well be jumping around a bit - hopefully they'll have sorted themselves out in a couple of days.

[takagi]

Having links with the same colour as the background makes them invisible (or do I miss something?). Search Engines don't like hiddenlinks because they are used to manipulate the results.

Quality Guidelines - Specific recommendations:

Avoid hidden text or hidden links.

Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.

Don't send automated queries to Google.

Don't load pages with irrelevant words.

Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.

Avoid "doorway" pages created just for search engines, or other "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.

Google's Webmaster Guidelines [google.com]

[thehittmann]

i think that invisable applies to the
<a href=:www.example.com overflow: hidden; visibility: hidden;"> type link, if ive written that correctly

[takagi]

Google means 'hidden links' as those links not (or almost not) visible to human visitors. Those links are added not for visitors of the site, but only for the search engines. When found, Google could decide to penalize the site. Not sure if that's the problem here because a lot of sites have now bad results after the 'Florida' update started.

[thehittmann]

the google bot that visited me was from agentina,
why would i still have PR if im not even indexed on google?

[takagi]

Google spiders are usually from a small set of IP addresses. If you had a spider from Argentina saying it was from Google, most likely it was a not a real Google spider.

For more info:Search Engine Spider IP Addresses [searchengineworld.com]

[thehittmann]

Agentine google bot 64.68.82.208 User Agent: Googlebot/2.1

[shasan]

My site 'disappeared' from Google the other day. Nowhere to be seen, even for searches on mywebsitename. It was scary, but in a couple of hours, the site was right back in the google serps. Curious.