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Big Boys Plan Of Attack - The Mininet-Ring

Big Boys Plan Of Attack - The Mininet-Ring

         

layer8

12:16 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Guys,

Most of us can build sites with PR 5/10-6/10 etc. If you wanted to compete in a market where 'size really does mater' and the top 5 positions are typically 7/10 how do you go about it?

Are we talking mini net, i.e. building a ring of sites?
Is this the only way? Or is it down to the amount of quality links from the quote 'big boys'.

Can you achieve a PR7 with just one single site and quality links or is building a mininet the only option?

Thanks in advance!

rcjordan

12:26 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Halo networks work. Watch the blogs if anyone has doubts.

digitalghost

12:32 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Forget about the Pagerank, and flank them.

Don't go head to head with the big boys unless you have cash to burn and you're sure the ROI is there. I know someone will come along and say, "my keyphrase so-and-so is beating MegaGiantCorp, so it can be done". Whoop.

If you have the time to track all the keyphrases that are performing for you you haven't built enough sites or a big enough site.

>>can you achieve a PR7

Yes. Unfortunately, Pagerank doesn't buy anything from your site.

If you must compete in a competitive market and you simply must go after those glitter phrases then you'll need to buy Pagerank, build Pagerank with your own network of sites and earn Pagerank by building a quality site and acquiring inbound links.

I've seen PR 4 sites earn tens of thousands of dollars per month while PR7 sites make almost enough to cover hosting. The whole Pagerank thing has become a red herring. Makes it easy for good SEMs to clean the clocks of the PageRank addicts. ;)

I'm thinking of selling shirts. "I've Got A PR7 Site and All I Can Afford Is This Lousy Tee Shirt". And of course, "I Bought My House With A PR5". ;)

In short, don't get into a Pagerank war, and don't go head to head against the competition. Flank them. Put 3000 keyphrases on page one while your competition struggles to keep 5 phrases in the top 5.

layer8

12:43 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The second reply is the most useful. In fact I did not understand the 1st reply.

I also agree that page ranking is a red hearing and it's much more intellegent to target realistic phrases, however I have a big fish I am realing in and........

.....I was just thinking a little down the line, agreed PR8 verus PR4 is not important however when you see the PR7s and 8s in the top slots it sends signals to me that I need to do more work.

Maybe im right maybe im wrong? But worst case, if they got their PR from all their links, and their anchors were optimised for this keyword (unlikely agreed, possible im sure). If that were the case, my conclusion is PR numbers would need to be matched in order to compete head to head.

Would you agree?

layer8

12:50 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think I might of missed the point, either that or the penny has just dropped for me.

What you are saying is yes single site is possible in quote 'worst case scenario', however normally not worth the use as an indicator.

Ring of sites is not the answer, deep linking strategy is, however:

Ring of sites has nothing to do with PR.

Ring of Sites = constant position if you have multiple sites keeping your links reliable, i.e. no single point of failure!

Am I right?

ukgimp

12:56 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Pagerank doesn't buy anything from your site.

That about sums it up DG. Class

>>Ring of Sites

Ring of Sites could lead you into a very dark place if you dont do it right and your interlinking sucks. Be careful.

Just to throw something else in. The links you mention from the "big boys" will also have different scales. Think anchor text.

digitalghost

12:56 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Everything else being equal, you need Pagerank to compete. But, there are so many ways to work over the competition without going head to head that high PR is pretty low on the list of things I set out to achieve. Anchor text on the other hand...

Forget about "leveling the playing field", don't play their game at all. Build your own business plan, formulate your own plan of attack and keep adapting. If you just want to knock the competition off their pedestal keep in mind that when you're on the pedestal you become the target. If you can replicate the competition's plan how hard do you think it will be for the folks behind you to replicate their plan?

PR is one weapon in an arsenal. What you want to do is develop new weapons, not slug it out with the competition using the same weapons. Attrition costs will erode your margin.

layer8

1:24 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well Spoken!

Thnxs Digitalghost I tend to agree.

layer8

5:16 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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RCJordan we have some questions.

I was talking to a pal and asking him what you ment in your update. I said HALO networks were refering to the ring of sites, and said it was more of a butterfly.

He said The HALO Network uses a data communications hub aboard a specially designed High Altitude Long Operation ("HALO") aircraft, flying at altitudes high above commercial air traffic and adverse weather, to provide customers with access to broadband services, regardless of their location. Each aircraft, flying for 8 hours at a time at 16km height, will have 1 ton of communications equipment on-board. (now we agree)

We are still both unsure what you were refering to when you said blogs. I said it was cockney slang for web logs and he said it ment he had to look at his girlfriend.

(now both of us are confused) - what does blog stand for?

rcjordan

5:40 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Blogs = web logs. See blogdex.net for a current 'pulse' of the activity. They are, almost by definition (given RSS and trackback), web rings.

>Cockney I have something like a midlands accent. People mistakenly think I'm from Nottingham --happens all the time.

halo = outer ring of sites

layer8

5:43 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks m8. I lost my cockney accent, but I still get called a criminal...lol.

Thanks for the update, good resource.

richardb

6:00 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Wow

Thanks for the update RC er, trackback

For anyone like me who's looking and one eliment has been cleared up only for something else to appear :0

Sometimes when you see a post on somebody's blog that you like, it's enough just to leave a comment on the other blog about that issue. But what if you've got something to say about the issue that you'd like to share with readers of your own blog? If you do post to your blog, you have to go and leave a comment in the other blog if you want the people there to know about your own blog entry.

This is where trackback comes in. Using trackback, you can automatically notify another blog about your new entry and a link to your entry will appear in that blog's list of trackback pings. Now visitors to the other blog will be able to come to your blog.

at least that what I found