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Bob_Ricci

1:04 am on Oct 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm not sure which forum to ask this, so I need to rely on the helping hands of the Mods. here.

I use a particular design tool that allows me to design SEO site prior to submission with its Page Builder feature. I have two such sites that rank in the 90% and use keywords with a very good KEI.

Once complete I use one of the major submission services that all the big guys pull from. Normally this service pulls my sites in within 72 hours - usually more like 48 hours.

But neither of these sites is appearing in 48 out of 50 search engines using low competition phrases. I e-mailed the submission service and they advised that a recent change to the algorithm has affected the submissions, but they won't elaborate. They do say that at some point they may appear.

I'm lost on this one.

troels nybo nielsen

8:31 am on Oct 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There are some members who know a lot about the problems you ask about. Presumably they are busy with more difficult tasks and waiting to see if people with less competence (like me) will be able to produce useful answers. So right now you will have to do with what little help I can give:

> a particular design tool that allows me to design SEO site

Hm.. I build my websites with a small html editor. I have created a few templates that I use everywhere and then I put some good content in. Fast and easy and gives nice positions in search engines.

> submission services

It does happen that I submit a page to a search engine, but it is _very_ seldom. If I create a new website I generally just make some good links to it. Google will find it very soon and show it in their fresh results and the other search engines come when they come.

> 48 out of 50 search engines

Are there really 50 search engines that matter anything?

Marcia

8:41 am on Oct 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Are there really 50 search engines that matter anything?

Nope, only Google, Inktomi, Teoma, Alta Vista and FAST are even worth thinking about at this point in time. And Google is more off-page than on so there's no tool that can do it, just the human mind.

And welcome back, troels, LTNS. :)

Bob_Ricci

8:49 am on Oct 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The issue appears to be related to Inktomi and their recent changes. I have scoured the messages here and learned that MANY have the same problem. Since I'm still trying to get used to the TOS here I avoided naming names. But I submit through PT and get results withing just a few days. But sites submitted within the last couple of weeks are nowhere to be found.

The top 7 search engines are all that matter to me. But the remaining 43 act as indicators to me because they often pick up changes faster.

I develop in DW and have another application that I use to guide me in my quest for the perfect site :)

Hey! What does PFI mean?

troels nybo nielsen

8:56 am on Oct 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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PFI = Pay for Inclusion
(well, what they really mean is: "We're slow.")

> And welcome back, troels,

Ahhh that makes my day. :)

> LTNS.

I once made a Foo-post about that expression

> quest for the perfect site

I'm on that one too. Perhaps we're both related to Sisyphos?

> The issue appears to be related to Inktomi and their recent changes.

I guess we'll just have to be patient and wait and see what happens with Inktomi.

Bob_Ricci

9:05 am on Oct 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That seems simple enough... :)

Marcia

9:10 am on Oct 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>I develop in DW and have another application that I use to guide me in my quest for the perfect site

Bob, there's no application that can give the recipe for the secret sauce.

>>issue appears to be related to Inktomi

Exactly one of the reasons no application can do it. If you optimize *sites* for Google and individual *pages* for Inktomi it gets reasonably close, and consistent across all the engines.

Google is about relationships - between pages within sites and pages on other sites that link to it/them. Inktomi, though non-PFI may rely on link pop to a degree, is basically plain vanilla, old-fashioned, one_size_fits_all on page optimization, all the way from page titles on through meta tags and onto page <Hn1-6> tags, outbound anchor text and page text - with a combo of keyword phrase/word location on the page put into the mix.

That's basically it; it's so simple, it's almost elusive.

Bob_Ricci

9:22 am on Oct 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I didn't mean to imply total reliance on a tool to do the job. I mentioned DW only as a counter to coding manually. I have burned too many candles out programming in various languages -- gotta love my WYSIWYG! Make it pretty - drop in text.

I use the other tool only as a guide. Since I'm still somewhat new to SEO, it helps. I'll admit it. I have a crutch. As it is now, after working a site and then running the tool on it there are fewer and fewer changes to be made. They are intuitively being done the first time. What a great way to learn!

But then Inktomi goes and messes things up and I've been crawling around for a week trying to figure out why MY secret sauce stopped working!

Your info on Google vs. Inktomi is inspiring. Up until now all I thought of Ink was that if I submitted optimized pages to it they would soon appear in Google. Learning how to use what I have been learning has proven to be the real challenge.