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keywords are everywhere, but they don't come up!

site is not being googled

         

theonliest

1:44 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ok, I've just wandered over to this section from somewhere in the vicinity of css, html, graphics, rabbit juggling so forgive me if I seem a little out of my depth here
(I'm not even sure I'm in the right forum!), anyway here's my problem;
I did a site which went live about five months ago who's url contains the surnames of two of the company's founding members (let's call it SmithJones.com) and yet when I enter this amalgamated word into google (or any top search engine) the site doesn't appear at all (after 5 months!) but other sites do appear which have legitamate references to said company, the amalgamated name is so unusual (a lot more than 'SmithJones' anyway) that google only returns about 10 results which are all valid but don't include the SmithJones.com that I built for them!
to add insult to injury (and forgive me for going off on a tangent here) the site is pure 100% css, not a table in site and the text is absolutely full of cases of 'SmithJones', I didn't even add any 'hidden' extras, it just worked out that way, a lot of the text is appearing a lot nearer the top than if would have with regular table layout!

ideally, I would like the site to appear when I search for 'smith jones' or 'smithjones' in a search engine but so far no luck!

pageoneresults

1:56 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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First things first, let's get some of the basics out of the way...

1. HTML/XHTML Validation [searchengineworld.com]

2. CSS Validation [jigsaw.w3.org]

3. Server Header Checker [searchengineworld.com]

4. Search Engine Spider Simulator [searchengineworld.com]

Number 1 and 2 are self-explanatory. If you have any fatal errors in your html, it may lead to indexing issues.

Number 3 is mandatory. You should always check and see what your server is returning in the header. The usual status is 200 which means all is okay. Anything else and we need to talk.

Number 4 is mandatory. You should always check to make sure you've not missed something and possibly caused a road block for indexing spiders.

Once you've checked those 4 items, then come back and let us know what the results were.

takagi

2:27 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi theonliest, you could try a search like this

site:www.mydomain.com -qwerty

(replace mydomain by the real SmithJones) and you will see all the pages indexed by Google that don't contain the word 'qwerty' (i.e. most likely true for all your pages). Please tell us, how many pages Google found and how many with only the URL.

BTW, pages with inbound links from pages already indexed (like your home page) should show up even if the pages are not yet spidered.

<added> I forgot the 'site:' at the start of the search. Thanks for the correction pageoneresults</added>

[edited by: takagi at 2:48 pm (utc) on June 12, 2003]

pageoneresults

2:33 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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takagi, I didn't even think to offer that suggestion first. If you were looking for just your site, do this...

site:www.example.com -qwerty

puppetmaster

4:25 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hello pageoneresults

I was checking my sites with the link you provide. On the Search Engine Spider Simulator I was getting this error (error grabbing url: 500) to my other links on my site. Do you know what this mean or maybe help me out.

Thank in advance

Web Footed Newbie

4:32 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Also, if you have a robots.txt file, make sure you did not Disallow googlebot - if you did, they won't come barking!
Good luck, WFN :)

pageoneresults

4:39 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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HTTP Error Codes [searchengineworld.com]

puppetmaster (cool nick), I would try again as it relates to a connection timeout issue. If it continues to return that same error, then you may have an issue at the server level that needs to be addressed.

Fatal Error 500
The server encountered an unexpected condition, which prevented it from fulfilling the request. Could indicate a connection time-out. (See Error 503)

[edited by: pageoneresults at 4:40 pm (utc) on June 12, 2003]

theonliest

4:40 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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thanks for the links pageoneresults, they're very useful.

unfortunately, it didn't really shed any light on the problem, the css validates and the html has no fatal errors (although plenty of regular ones), the server header thingy is coming back as 200 and the spider simulator thingy is... well I'm not sure wot that's doing, although is is listing all the subpages on the site so it is at least finding the page.

a couple of things to note;
no meta tags of any kind on the site (but aren't these fairly useless for grabbing spiders anyway),
the titles of the pages don't contain the 'smithjones' text,
the site is very small; only 5 main pages with about 10 smaller 'pop up' pages

no matter what I put into google, lifted straight from the site, it just doesn't appear, it seems it's just being ignored flat out!

pageoneresults

4:41 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hmmm, no METAs, no mention of the words in Title and the site is only 5 pages? Those are three factors to consider.

The Spider Simulator thingy should be returning all the indexible content on your page. If you do not see your main content visible in the Spider Simulator thingy summary, then something is wrong somewhere.

puppetmaster

5:22 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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pageoneresults,

I'm not getting the 500 error on the index page. It the spider link pages the I get the error. It showing about 30 interlinks but not showing anything for the Keyword Density Analyzer, it just shows the 500 arror.

If I have problems on the sever side what do I need to do or ask to fix the problem.

Someone alway pulling my strings in some direction!

Thank you for your help

pageoneresults

5:26 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm not 100% sure about the error and what it may mean. Based on the HTTP Error Codes, it is a possible connection timeout issue. If the connection is timing out, that means the spider cannot get to those links. I'd wait and see if someone who has more experience with this chimes in.

If not, you may want to contact your server administrator and take them through the process to replicate the errors so they can see what you are talking about.

topr8

6:01 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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theonliest

just a quick thought, you do have a couple of incoming links to your smithjones site don't you?

but other sites do appear which have legitamate references to said company

just wondering do these other sites that mention smithjones link to you