Google vs. everyone else. Here's the real deal as of "right now".

Looking at the other SE's (and all their sponsored links) for top serp's.

[teeceo]

Google is not only the best SE out there but, if you have a site that is "all business" it is really your only hope of making money without having to: ppi, ppc, pp spider each page, pp sponsered listing, ect......

Let take it one by one of the top 5 comp. of Google.

#1. Yahoo: Simple, they use google db and there ppc deal with there partners(i.e. no google listing, no free traffic).

#2. MSN: first 5 results are "FEATURED SITES", next 3 results are "SPONSORED SITES", finally, after all that comes your (PPI single page, sence they don't spider sites, just the page you paid for) now who is going to find you past all that FS/SS stuff? not many...:(

#3. ask.com: A ton of "Sponsored Web Results" (some times as much as ten) its a PPI and thats "per-URL" only and (no spidering of the whole site:(, need I say more...

#4. excite.com: Most reults are ppc from PPC, next........

#5. lycos.com: top 6 results are "sponsored link" and even if your number 1 or 2 after that(on high traffic terms) the traffic stinks.

As for these two: www.altavista.com and www.alltheweb.com they seem to be fine but, the traffic is small.

So, all in all, Google really isn't that bad at all when you look at what else is out there:). Now hurry up(Google) and get this stuff striaten out:).

Teeceo.

P.S. Special thanks to GooglegGuy for your particapation in this forum and helping us through it all(and for letting us cry on your shoulder:).

[pageoneresults]

teeceo, here is a more complete list of Search Engine Relationships [webmasterworld.com].

[Skylo]

Nice one Teeceo. I like to see posts like that after all this google bashing. I find it ridiculous and to an extent quite irritating seeing people dissing "G".
Bottom line is like you say "G" is going to give you the most traffic bar a few people, but bottom line is if they are doing stuff(like dominic with all these database stuff that I barely understand) that affects us, rather than having a cry about it lets sit and see what happens. They are afterall just trying to improve userbility and make the sea less bumpy for us "White Coats" (legal SEO's). If you have been banned and have suffered badly, well unless it has driven you to sleep in the gutter or your business go down to absolutely nothing, then it is time to get up guys dry your eyes, accept what has happened and get with it.

And now that you are up, instead of rolling with the punches start giving them (legally and metaphorically to your competition.) We're all big boys here so lets act like it. I love you all and learnt so much from so many of you and for that I am eternally grateful but it is time that we stopped whining and got on with the job.

Happy Surfing
Skye
(Sorry to seem to have vented some anger but it is just the way I feel. I have also lost a site to google that hurt me badly but we get up and better ourselves :-)