I think I'm spamming myself

[lizzie]

If I submit the same webpage with the URL written two different ways is it penalized for being spam? Like if I use the number (IP address, is it?) for the page as well as the URL? Or sometimes you can write the domain two different ways.
What will they do if there is one address for the page
already in there and I submit the same page with the URL
written differently?

[drbill]

That is a different kind of question.

Has anyone done anything like this before?

I have never used the IP and the domain name to submit a site..

Interesting concept.

[grnidone]

As I understand it,

2 urls going to one web page =spam

However, I believe it is overlooked if you don't promote one of them. As I understand it, if you submit only one of the urls to the search engines, then you should be ok.

So, let's say you have a url
www.asdf.com and www.asdfs.com (the plural of the first)

you would choose one of these urls to promote and submit to the search engines, having the other one isn't a spam.

At least this is how I understand it.

What I do understand about spam -- and the search engines themselves will say this to you if asked -- is that spam is always intentional. You can't spam by accident, it is always something that is blatent.

Ladies and Gentlemen, is my theory correct? Some help please?

-G

[grnidone]

*laugh* And you title is cool! It sounds like

"I think I'm spamming myself!"

Is that anything like "I think I'm perjuring myself"?
(The act of committing perjury)

-G

[georged]

>spam is always intentional
Nope. Personal experience: When I started working for my company, I found out a couple of our sales guys had been registering snazzy domain names (they got some real humdingers) and re-directing from them to our home page, and also just putting the same pages on lots of different sites. They didn't have a clue about any effects it would have or even think about it, they just thought it was a really cool thing to do. That really was their prime motivation, that it was cool! I'm just glad that no-one had sat them down in front of WPG or similar.

Want to hear a real head-in-hands, "listen, you idiot!!", story? I found an old document (before my time at this co.) from one of them pitching for SE promotion, that at one point says "we will add hidden text to your site...."!?!?! I had never had an instant coronary before, and I hope I never have one again, but he didn't even know it was wrong! He'd merely heard the phrase, and thought he might as well stick it in! My mental scenery was vivid and suffused with pink mist that day, I can tell you.

So...sometimes spam is just a by-product of ignorance or tomfoolery.

[DaveAtIFG]

Another example of unintentional spam, due to simple ignorance. As a beginner not knowing what half the tags meant or did and using HotDawg, I asked HotDawg to create a new page (a beginning framework template) and, by default, it inserted bgcolor="white" into the body tag for me. Subsequently, I added a background image, a few days later, white text onto that...

It took a while to figure out why my pages would not stick in the search engines after careful manual submission... and for some reason they still frown on "white on white"... ;)

[lizzie]

I thought the title sounded hideously self destructive,
and therefore appropriate.

I had been submitting a URL one way and I guess the SE's found the page on their own and started putting it in written a different way. So for 2 months I've been noticing it go up for a few days after I submit it my ususal way in hits then drop of to nothing without knowing why.
This is the only thing I can think of.
If the same page is submitted with two domains they take off both of them, right?

[mark roach]

Accidentally spamming the engines is a major concern for me. I have duplicate pages in a number of engines.

I have the .co.uk and the .com domain name for my main site. They both point to the exact same site. The .co.uk name is the one I use and actively promote. Unfortunately someone has linked to my site using the .com address and now the spiders have followed that link and indexed duplicate pages.

My site is also dynamically generated and originally had question marks in the URLs (which the spiders would not follow). I used htaccess to re-write the URLs to make them look static and the spiders then merrily picked them all up. Now some of the spiders have been following URLS with questions marks in them (lycos, direct hit, google + a couple more), with the result being more duplicate pages.

What concerns me is that another SEO seeing two of my nearly identical pages (because they are dynamic pages they probably are not exactly identical) above them in the rankings might report me and then I would lose all my pages.

I guess robots.txt is the answer, but as we know not all spiders honour that.

[DaveAtIFG]

Mark, I've had good luck controlling what gets listed by using BOTH robots.txt and the robots meta tag as in
<META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex, nofollow">
It appears to me as if most spiders honor one or the other.

[Trafficnapper]

I am not sure if you would call what your doing as spam, but submitting one day with say your index, and then resubmitting it another day via your ip # has one big disadvantage. Say the engine was tracking and discovered them the same page somehow and so it listed only one. The one it lited being the ip, well now say you have to change ips because yours has traded hands or you just needed a better cheaper providor.
Well you now you know longer have a listing
because when you moved or were moved you lost that ip with your old host.

That would suck : (

Trafficnapper