Use of link text within NO FRAMES

How effective is it compared to normal use (page text)?

[fom2001uk]

How effective is optimizing link text within the no frames tag?

What I mean is on a rough scale, how does it measure up to optimized link text on the page? (only half as effective, 10% as effective, less?)

Ideally, you always want link text on your pages, but sometimes it might not be possible. When this is the case, using link text in the no-frames tag is better than nothing, but how effective is it?

[hakre]

hi fom2001uk,

the <noframes> section is an excellent area for links. all spiders not supporting frames and supporting ones will follow these links. so it's up more then 100% because you can provide a link-text, the frame src attribute can't.

[nokama]

The only problem I can see with <noframes> is that your content will show at the top of the page if viewed in netscape 4.08. I had two sites (my personal, and one that I was marketing) using noframes, which produced some STRANGE results in the March 1 google index. Within the index, both of these sites were reverted to the previous google cached page, and ranked accordingly!

As far as I can tell, without counting the exact #s of links on each site, the noframes content was the only consistent major difference between these two sites, and the others that I am marketing. I am using basically the same techniques on all my sites.

Does anyone know why? Am I in/correct in my assumtion that the noframes caused me some trouble? Has anyone else seen sites 'reverted' as mine were?

[savegrace]

hi there,
Yes, I have just noticed today that my google page cache is of january's version of my site. In February, I had updated the index page's <noframes> area to include my keywords. In January, this area had been empty. I have now updated the index page's <noframes> area with my page links too.
I can't be sure that my site 'reverted' back to an old google cache because I added keywords. But I know the index page has been crawled, and the updated version from Feb. (with information in the <noframes> area) is not the present archived google's cache version. The Google cache of my page is the old version without any information in <noframes>.
Could I have been penalized?

[fom2001uk]

What if your site isn't in frames. Can you still use the no frames tag?

My HTML isn't what it should be :-)

[ukgimp]

The noframes content is used in Google serps at the moment. I dont think their level of weighting is what it used to be. It is good place to get links to a sitemap and some of the inner pages.

Create multiple framesets for different sections and remember the framebusting.

[Robert Charlton]

>>The only problem I can see with <noframes> is that your content will show at the top of the page if viewed in netscape 4.08.<<

Sounds like you used <noframes> on a "flat" html page. That's not what it's for. <noframes> should be used on frameset pages only...

Here are some notes I have on <noframes> usage... I'm not sure what the original sources are, so if I'm quoting anybody without attribution, my apologies in advance. Caps for emphasis only...

<NOFRAMES>...</NOFRAMES> is a tag originally included in the HTML specification to display content in browsers that are unable to display frames. Content within this tag is also what's seen by search engines.

Virtually all browsers today handle frames, though, and the NOFRAMES tag is usually wasted with some sort of useless message like "This browser is unable to display frames." The NOFRAMES tag can, in fact, be a useful tool for search optimizing. It can only be used, though, on FRAMESET pages.

The <NOFRAMES></NOFRAMES> tag properly belongs nested INSIDE the FRAMESET pair.

I try to keep the <noframes> tag very accurately reflecting the text of the framed pages... and I'm very wary of tricks like using 100% frames, except maybe on graphic-only pages. I think the days of using this tag deceptively are numbered.

As for the links within the <noframes> tag, I've seen examples of PR0 on frameset pages that have used them excessively, which maybe suggests that Google pays attention to them. There could have been other reasons, though, for the PR0 penalty.