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looking for Best site submission software

dynamic submission, cyberspacehq.com, etc..

         

masterpp

10:11 pm on Feb 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My boss of hosting wants to purchase the best Site submission for unlimited domains to submit and tons of search engines to submit.

I've found goods so far.
Dynamic Submission 7 from apexpacific.com ($399 for enterprise edition)
AddWeb 6 from cyberspacehq.com ($299 for professional edition)

Tell me which software is the best. or if you know any other best software.

Please don't tell me to do by hands. since we have over hundreds of domains to submit.

Thank you.

jimbeetle

11:12 pm on Feb 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi masterpp,

Okay, I won't tell yo to do it by hand, but...

Tons of search engines? At best there's a very small handful that send significant amount of traffic, plus some specialized directories depending on the site.

Some major engines block automatic submissions (Alta Vista for example).

Others are pay for inclusion only.

Most have explicit policies that ban automatic queries, such as Google ("Don't send automated queries to Google" from Google Guidelines [google.com]).

Best practice these days appears to be "submit once, then wait."

Jim

masterpp

11:25 pm on Feb 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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thanks, i already knew some SE required pay, some block, some etc...
But please don't discuss about it.

So what software would you recommend?
I just need best one for my work. It not for me.

ritch_b

11:29 pm on Feb 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Like the man says - submit once then wait. It's quite possible to manage the submission of a large number of sites entirely by hand, especially when you bear in mind that you'll be submitting to perhaps just a dozen of the main search engines and to those just the once.

Automated software has been known to cause problems and does breach the terms of service for a number of the big guys - besides, the "hands on" approach is nice in that it's certainly more educational (if that's the right term to use) than clicking a button in a faceless piece of software.

Submitting to wads of search engines sounds great at first, but given that the bulk of traffic comes from so few, it may not be a worthwhile endeavour - do you really want to submit your corporate widget site to some foreign porn search engine? The cash you would otherwise spend (I won't use the word invest) on such software could contribute to paid inclusion for some of your sites - surely a more worthwhile road to go down?

Just my 2 cents...

R.

Jeffry

11:36 pm on Feb 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I bought SubmitWolf Pro Enterprise for $595 and it is worthless. It's a waste of money.

Take my advice, 1 submission by hand is better then 100 via
software. For me a lesson learned the hard way.

Jeffry

WindSun

7:05 am on Feb 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"...tons of search engines..."

TONS?

There might be 5 or 6 worth worrying about, and Google is 70% of that.

Total waste of time to submit to any more than that, and you can do it by hand in 20 minutes.

Another bad thing about those stupid submit tools is that they submit to a BUNCH of crappy places that end up sending you tons of crappy spam mail for months.

"we have over hundreds of domains to submit. ..."

Hmm sounds to me like you are setting up spam and mirror sites yourself. If so, that will ban you from all the major search engines.

HitProf

9:53 am on Feb 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hosting companies very often want to submit their client's sites to as many (international) engines as possible and we're often asked to do this for them or what software to use. Our advise: don't, it's useless. Optimise first and then submit manually.

cohwill

1:49 am on Feb 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Even WebPosition Gold has gotten into trouble for its automated submittal program.

Most of the automated programs claim that they can submit you to thousands of sites. There are only about 130-150 useful search engines and directories out there (including the specialized ones).

The key term is "submission." These programs don't guarantee that your site will be accepted by these hundreds of SEs, just that they will submit to them. I have been working on an expose of these programs for quite some time now.

Many of these "thousands" are FFA or link farms that can get your site banned by Google and others. TopDog Pro is guilty of this as well as EnterUrl and many others.

On the other hand, I enjoy doing hand submissions.

Robert Charlton

10:34 pm on Feb 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There might be 5 or 6 worth worrying about, and Google is 70% of that.

5 or 6? Of the crawler-based engines that accept free submissions, I count 4 or 5 where submitting might help you get in, if you count GigaBlast... and if you look at the ones where submission software might actually work, you're down to 1 or 2.

The existence of the other 500,000 engines has been greatly exaggerated....

warlordbb

2:12 am on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm glad I found this thread. I was about to use WebPosition Gold's submittal process.

Is there any aspect of Webmastering that doesn't benefit from doing "by hand"? :) i.e. Notepad for HTML, searching the SE's yourself instead of automated programs, submittal, etc.

Thanks for the advise you've given masterpp, I'm going to submit by hand. Now I have a question that is right down this alley and I've looked at about 50+ threads that I thought would talk about it but I'm drawing blanks.

1. WHAT are the 4 to 5 (or 5 to 6) free engines specifically?
2. WHAT are the top 4 or 5 Pay for Inclusion?
3. Does Pay for Inclusion mean "Sponsored Links" on any of these in #2?

Any other suggestions/tips would be greatly appreciated. Like, "well, your first step would be to PAY for inclusion on XYZ Engine and then submit to G Engine for free, then wait a month".

BTW WebmasterWorld r0x0rz! (sorry, tried to contain myself, I'm a newb)

Robert Charlton

2:46 am on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Any other suggestions/tips would be greatly appreciated.<<

There's a lot of information on this already on the board, so forgive only a partial answer here.

The following thread, about a year old, still has a lot of good information...

Is there a chance to get in Ink for free?
[webmasterworld.com...]

Basically, get your site into ODP if you can. That will take care of almost all the engines. Whether or not you get into ODP, get as many inbound links as you can from sites already listed in Google.

AllTheWeb and AltaVista also have free submit pages on their sites. It's best to get several inbound links before you submit.

cohwill

7:20 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The top free submittal search engines are Google, AlltheWeb, AltaVista, Lycos, and the Open Directory Project (http://www.dmoz.org).

Now, some comments. Google supplies Yahoo right now, AlltheWeb and AltaVista are now owned by Overture, and ODP takes forever to index a site.

Paid inclusion is NOT the same as the top sponsored links. Those are from places like Overture.

The best paid inclusions are Inktomi (which supplies MSN), and FAST (supplies Lycos, and AlltheWeb). You can also do AskJeeves/Teoma, and Mamma.com.

Paid inclusion means your site goes up in 72 hours, and gets re-indexed every 48 hours (aprox.). Yahoo has just bought Inktomi.