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Brett_Tabke

11:35 am on Sep 10, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Now testing version 2 The Web Page Themes Inspector [searchengineworld.com]. Feedback welcome.

scott

1:17 pm on Sep 10, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Mine was bad....very, very bad. But it was obviously due to left over buddy links still out there, so I'm not worried.

Brett_Tabke

2:46 pm on Sep 10, 2000 (gmt 0)

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There are two ways a search engine could potentially calculate your 'reputation' to determine 'context'.

One, is the method I am using by looking at the linking pages titles and descriptions. I believe Inktomi is using this system. This is more theme oriented.

The other, is to only look at the text of the inbound link. I believe Google and Altavista are using this system to a very small degree (this is why link programs do so well in google because you write the link with your keywords in it).

Inktomi is using a combination of both.

Excite is doing something along these lines, but I am not sure just what it is entirely.

Fast, Directhit, Infoseek, and pro.lycos (the lycos based db) are not using any or even counting links at the current time. (infoseek 'might' be counting links, but I don't think so. They toyed with it a year ago when then went to the directory model).

Mike_Mackin

3:25 pm on Sep 10, 2000 (gmt 0)

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cool thing Brett

I ran a past clients site throught it and the #2 ranked word was "linkstoyou"

Then I ran a site that's got me beat at AV and the TOP 2 words were "link" and links"

Not 1 of the KWs was the target phrase.

<jezzz>go figure</jezzz>

rencke

4:32 pm on Sep 10, 2000 (gmt 0)

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"Links" and "länkar" (Swedish for links) turned up as #1, but the rest was pure gold, with lots of very high frequency keywords in three languages, all but a couple very appropriate for our theme.

Cool indeed. But is this really on the level? How in God's name could this utility check 1.444 and 1.076 links respectively in just 5-10 seconds? That's speed of light. Or does it content itself with the first page that AV serves?

Brett_Tabke

5:29 pm on Sep 10, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Renke, it is looking at the titles and descriptions of the sites linking to you as listed in the search engines (currently alta, and I am working on Google and Fast). This is but one, very low system (not much cpu/resources required to generate such a chart) impact way that the search engines could use 'context' as part of a theming system.

To do it this simple way, the data is already there in the database for the search engines to use. However, if they look at link text, they have to reindex all those pages, accumulate all that link data, process it, and finally determine the keywords (extremely processor/resource intensive).

re: links in title.

I don't think this is very good at all. Nothing says low rent page like Links, Resources, or Bookmarks in titles or filenames. I know one engine that will not index new pages with those words in titles, tags, or paths. Personaly, I wouldn't join a links program unless it did these things:

a: unique titles.
b: no page should have links, resources, or bookmarks or their stems in titles, paths, or tags)
c: random generated pages (mix the links up across pages).
d: random unique (you choose) non-numeric filenames.

If I were to do it again (not gonna happen), I would:
a: do the above again.
b: require a link from their home page to the link page.
c: if the links page is not found in major se's within 90 days, your outta here.
d: require unique titles for all thier pages.
e: put a small set of 10-15 links at the bottom of each page that link to other peoples 'links pages'. (get some cross promoting going on).
f: require first 10links on each links page they put up to be 'above scroll' on all pages in visible 'no spam' viewing atmosphere for surfers.
f: charge $70 per year ;)

mark roach

8:59 pm on Sep 10, 2000 (gmt 0)



Another superb utility Brett. Are you going to extend it to all the important engines ?

One minor problem, if you enter a site with no links to it, the keyword "movies" is featured.

Brett_Tabke

11:59 pm on Sep 10, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Ya, I am working on an advanced option set for the first upgrade. I needed to get the system sound before adding too hog wild of options. (thanks on the no url...haven't uploaded the fix yet.)

rencke

11:48 am on Sep 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Brett: I understood how it works and what it reads, but just marvel at the fact that it could fetch 1.444 titles and descriptions from pages linking to us in as little as 5-10 seconds, which the report that I got says that it did. Even the 30-60 seconds that you state on the page may be needed is kind of low for a site with many links pointing to it.

You say that this thing is really simple, suggesting that major engines will have more sophisticated programs to determine theme. But there are lots and lots of search engines out there who are neither sophisticated nor likely to make major investments in cutting edge technology. They might jump at a "simple" solution such as this one, which would make it significant indeed. Your idea may well turn out to be a lot more than you think.

drbill

1:36 pm on Sep 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Hey Brett

Good job :) Found 243 links to one of my sites, I know that if google was added then there would be alot more.

How high can the weight go? I have a 197 weight in a certain keyword.

ritualcoffee

6:12 pm on Sep 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

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You found 9,728 links to my site - please add the other engines 'cause this would impress the .... out of my boss! ;)

Brett_Tabke

8:40 pm on Sep 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

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I will work on it some more RitualCoffee. Adding an advanced option with 9 search engines.

JamesR

11:33 pm on Sep 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Hi Brett, thanks for another great tool. Is there any way to do a domain exclusion? It keeps mixing in a .com.au domain with the .com domain I am trying to research.

Thanks again.

mark roach

8:40 am on Sep 12, 2000 (gmt 0)



I think you are onto something here Brett. I used the reputation checker prior to yesterday's AV update. My top keyword was "links" and the 2 words in my primary search phrase were in the 4th and 5th places (I had 190 links in total). I was listed on the 4th page for my primary phrase.

After the update I now have an additional 40 links to my site (no changes to the site itself). The reputation checker gives the two words in my key phrase as the top 2 keywords (links is now in 4th place). AV now lists me in 3rd place for my primary phrase.

A sure sign that relevant links make a huge difference.

metaman

2:54 pm on Sep 12, 2000 (gmt 0)

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"A sure sign that relevant links make a huge difference."

In fact, have you ever seen this little gem when viewing Google's cache...

These terms only appear in links pointing to this page: [insert keyphrase here]

Sometimes they make all the difference in the world!

BTW, very nice tool Brett. As far as link programs go, check out linktopics, they seem closest to your ideal link exchange program.

Brett_Tabke

1:12 pm on Sep 26, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Rencke. This whole thing what really promted me to cash-in-the-chips on BuddyLinks. It is so easy for the search engines to determine some sort of context this way.

I agree metaman, linktopics appears to be on the ball.

Brett_Tabke

4:59 pm on Nov 18, 2000 (gmt 0)

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I have renamed the tool to the "Webpage Themes Inspector".