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Is this Against the Law?

Is it unethical or am I pushing it?

         

martinibuster

8:30 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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What if I put up a page and optimize it for "My-competitor's-rodent-hunting-software versus My-dedicated-weasel-hunting-software"

My competitor's name in the title, meta descript, in H1 etc, (with the word versus in it, of course) and have this as a Software FAQ showing the benefits of my dedicated weasel hunting software versus their generalized rodent hunting software.

Could they sue me? (especially if I start showing up in serps for their name search?)

willtell

8:36 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The question is not that someone could sue, but would they win. Do you want the hassle and expense of finding out.

Anyone can sue you for anything, but if you put something up that could cause a company damage you are asking for trouble. People have been sued for posting remarks in forums already.

The question should be, why do it? If you need that to sell your product then you might want to find another type of business. You product should sell it's benifits.

No legal advise intended, just my opinion.

seth_wilde

8:40 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Comparison pages are fairly common (if you have one overtue will allow you to bid on your competitors names).. I can't see you getting in trouble for using it in the content.. My only question would be the title and meta info..

redzone

8:42 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ford/Chevy/Dodge do it on the the tube all the time, as do about 1,000 over-the-counter pharmaseuticals in the US.

There are a lot of product comparison pages on the web also.
Just do a search for "product comparisons".

If the web page is actually a side-by-side comparison, then there is nothing wrong with it.

Title, Metas, whatever..

Just make sure that you properly publish reference to anything Trademarked,

rcjordan

8:45 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I believe the US courts have sided with those firms suing competitors over use of their trademark and company name in the meta tags.

<added>
Researching this, it can swing either way. Check this out for more info:
Meta Tags and Customer Confusion [nolo.com]

rogerd

9:01 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Dell built its entire business with side-by-side comparisons with Compaq (which were distinctly unflattering to the latter).

I think if the meta tags fairly represent the content of the page, it would be difficult for a competitor to claim some kind of trademark violation. (In the good old days, when meta-keywords actually did something, it was pretty common to see a firm's home page keywords stuffed with competitor names & brands. These words appeared ONLY in the hidden tags. This would certainly be looked on unfavorably by a judge, but wouldn't do any good now anyway.)

Naturally, you should be scrupulous in giving appropriate credit for trademarks, etc.

Marcia

9:02 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Yes, the courts have decided in favor of the companies who felt they were infringed upon. There are links to documentation of that at Danny Sullivan's site.

martinibuster, one C&D could force an otherwise perfectly acceptable page to have to come down altogether. I'd personally keep the company's name out of the metas and just use appropriate <h> tags and some link text going to a page with safe, bona-fide comparison data.

martinibuster

9:20 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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So, if I keep `em out of the metas, maybe keep their name in my title (rodent-blaster2000 versus weasel-out 4.0: Side by Side Comparison)

Then have the entire page be a legitimate side by side comparison (which was my intention all along), then it seeeeeeeems to me to be okay.

Your product should sell it's benefits.

That's the intention behind a side by side comparison page. The reason for this is that some people would opt for the cheaper generalized rodent software, but a side by side comparison will serve the purpose of demonstrating why a dedicated weasel solution is the best way to go.

When people type in the competitors name (who incidentally optimizes for "weasel hunting software"), well, my company's name pops up too, and the surfer can then discover the wonderful benefits of a dedicated weasel destroying solution.

That's the reason for the side by side, because the competitor is actually optimizing to compete with me, even though it's a generalized software that's not as good my weasel hunting solution.

Is there anything wrong with that?

Marcia

9:25 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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martinibuster, is the competitor coming up under weasel hunting software same as you, or is their company name involved?

Quinn

9:28 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think this type of comparison is perfectly legitimate.

One thing to consider:

How protective is the competitor of their mark? I could envision an argument where a company files suit for use of their mark in even the <title></title> tags, because it is widely known to be used to rank sites in search engines.

You could argue that they could just as easily sue for use of a mark in the body of a page, but I think the title in the header, so close to the meta's could attract this sort of legal attention.

Just a thought.

martinibuster

9:37 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The competitor is coming up under weasel hunting software better than my client's company.

rogerd

11:10 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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One thing to keep in mind about theoretical legal discussions: it's not always about who's right, but who has the deepest pockets. Even if a case lacks merit, lawyers can keep things churning (and keep burning their opponent's money) for years.

gsx

9:57 am on Oct 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You would need to check your local laws (and laws of targetted countries). Comparison advertising is illegal in Germany, for example.

Also you must be careful about specifications of competitors. They need to be dated, otherwise they can change the spec or lower the price and get lawyers and witnesses to record your false advertising. If you date the information though, customers will be very wary if that date falls back more than a month or two.

andreasfriedrich

5:38 pm on Oct 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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While gsx is right that you need to check with your local laws she is wrong in stating that Comparison advertising is illegal in Germany.

Directive 97/55/EC of European Parliament and of the Council of 6 October 1997 amending Directive 84/450/EEC concerning misleading advertising so as to include comparative advertising [europa.eu.int] clearly states that "Comparative advertising shall, as far as the comparison is concerned, be permitted" if it is done in a fair manner.

In Germany this directive was implemented in September 2000 by changing sections 2 and 3 of the Unfair Competition Law (Gesetz gegen unlauteren Wettbewerb; see: Plaß, NJW 2000, 3161).

Andreas