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Age old question of what is spam...

         

fiffy

6:10 am on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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A quick question. People talk about spamming Google and getting busted. What is spam? I guess it's not sending them unsolicited email. But what EXACTLY is it?
I would like a minimum of 15 examples please.
Thank you.

mack

6:13 am on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It's just a general term for trying to abuse the system by using techniques that could cause google to increase your ranking without the rank being merited.

P.S. does SPAMM stand for anything or is it just something that has come to be as a made up net word?

fiffy

6:18 am on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have a main domain, www.mydomain.com , and this domain is nicely ranked in Google, I think. PageRank 7.
I would never do anything sneaky or such.
I recently bought 5 other domains and "parked" them on my main domain. I think that is what it is called. Its like this: If you click on www.bought-domain.com it automatically re-directs to www.mydomain.com.
Same thing for the other four bought domains.
Is this spam?

jatar_k

6:19 am on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com] fiffy

If we are referring to google in particular then this page would be relevant

[google.com...]

<added>since you just posted that same link in your first thread I assume you know that part.

spam = anything SE's see as "for the sole purpose of elevating rankings"

[edited by: jatar_k at 6:21 am (utc) on Sep. 25, 2002]

fiffy

6:21 am on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I just posted that URL elsewhere in here. It says nothing about parking domains.

mack

6:21 am on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My understanding is that this will not cause a problem so long as google doesnt try and crawl the other bought domain names. What method of redirection are you using. I think 301 redirect using htaccess woud be the best.

fiffy

6:26 am on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't know the number. Here is the situation: Before I was on other servers, and if you clicked on www.bought-domain.com, it would open up www.mydomain.com and "www.mydomain.com would show in the address bar. What number is this?
But now I'm on new servers and the people got it set up different.
If u click on www.mydomain.com it goes to my site but it show www.bought-domain.com in the address bar. What number is this, and which way is better? and is it spam?

jatar_k

6:27 am on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>It says nothing about parking domains

either does your starting post ;)

301 redirect would work or robots.txt.

fiffy

6:28 am on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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jatar_k, I sincerely appreciate your help here. Could you explain those things to me? What is 301? And robots.txt.?

mack

6:31 am on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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you can use htaccess to create a 301 (perminantly moved) and robots txt to ban googlebot. both of these files are stored at your root directory (where the index page goes) search for htaccess and robots.txt if you need more advice about them :)

jatar_k

6:33 am on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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try the links on this page for info on robots.txt

[searchengineworld.com...]

fiffy

6:40 am on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Mack, jatar_k, thank you so much for the education. I'm scared to death of doing something wrong and getting banned. Your advice is greatly appreciated.

ukgimp

8:13 am on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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spam = anything SE's see as "for the sole purpose of elevating rankings"

Jatar,

Just thinking out loud here but I presume you are emphasising the word see in your post. Search engines themselves set these "rules" as what they consider spam and quite rightly so. But it only takes google to to put a '1' or '0' in one of there ranking algo checkboxes (dont know if these really exist :)) and you are then deemed to be a spammer.

It could, and I am sure it has be argued that by its very nature SEO techniques are spammy. We all artificially raise our ranking by using good titles, css, link pop......etc....etc. I personally dont agree with this thought but I am sure some think it.

We then start to get in all sorts of morality issues about regarding SEO techniques and ethics nd how some are willing to push the boundaries to the limit.

An interesting subject, with no correct answer.

Cheers

<added> some shocking speeeellling<added>

Bernie

1:57 pm on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hello,

about one year ago I read the following definition of spam on a website about internet marketing:

"Spam is everything you do about or around your website because search engines exist"

In the first moment I was laughing about this definition and was a little bit upset about the author hence the definition seemed extreme, narrow minded and fanatic. But after thinking about it a couple of minutes I realized the real sense and value of this definition and I extended it:

Spam is everything you do about or around your website because searchengines exist...THAT OTHER POEPLE WHO DON'T KNOW ABOUT SEARCHENGINES WOULD NEVER DO!

In my very humble opinion this rule is valide and will always be - because it is based on the fact that searchengines can basically not punish webmasters for publishing practics that are 1. used by many 2. used without even thinking about SEs.

Example:
Hiding source code with cloaking,css,white-on-white-font or whatever = SPAM after this definition.
Using the H1-H6 Tag to emphasize a word or small string as the topic of a page (for visitor and for crawler) and using a style sheet to control the seize for design reasons.
= NO SPAM after this definition.
Exchanging Links with other sites in an appropriate way (example you link to your customer's site and he links back)
= NO SPAM
Exchanging Links for the purpose of PR-Boost
You link from every single page of your website to every single page (not only to it's homepage) of another website - and the webmaster of this website is doing the same in return.

maybe it helped

paynt

2:24 pm on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)



I think these discussions and Brett’s tips page are interesting with regards to the spam issue.

Define Over Optimization [webmasterworld.com]

Optimization Strategies [webmasterworld.com]

Misc Tips: Web Site Promotion Do's and Don'ts [searchengineworld.com]

buckworks

3:39 pm on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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<<Before I was on other servers, and if you clicked on www.bought-domain.com, it would open up www.mydomain.com and www.mydomain.com would show in the address bar. What number is this? But now I'm on new servers and the people got it set up different. If u click on www.mydomain.com it goes to my site but it show www.bought-domain.com in the address bar. What number is this, and which way is better? >>

I am convinced it is better to make sure any pointer domains resolve consistently to YourMainDomain.com, rather than allowing PointerDomain.com or PredictableTypo.com to remain in the address bar. It keeps your link popularity (and your branding) more focused.

If other webmasters like your page, and see YourMainDomain.com in the address bar, that's what they'll link to. If they see PointerDomain.com in the address bar, they'll link to that. That's what you want to avoid. What you want is 100 brownie points for 100 links pointing to YourMainDomain.com, not 75 brownie points for links to YourMainDomain.com and 25 for links to PointerDomain.com. Or worse, 50/20/30 or something. (These brownie points are mythical, used to illustrate the point!)

I would go a step further and make sure your pages resolve to either the www. version or the non-www. version of your domain, too. It could be either one, just be consistent. This will help to focus any link pop you earn on one version or the other.

You'll never get all the sites that link to you to link in exactly the style you'd prefer, but it certainly helps if you present a consistent web address at your end.

In recent weeks I've had occasion to visit several hundred sites in a certain category, and many of those sites have more than one web address pointing to the same pages. Those who set things up to always resolve to TheirMainDomain.com consistently did better in assorted engines for the searches I checked. Of course a site that has its act together in a detail like that is probably doing lots of other things right which would also contribute to good rankings, but even so I am convinced that resolving to a consistent web address is good SEO.

Sebastian

8:37 am on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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P.S. does SPAMM stand for anything or is it just something that has come to be as a made up net word?

Daddy Mack

While we all know what spam is, you asked about the origin of the word. spam is probably inspired by a comedy routine on the British television series Monty Python's Flying Circus, in which the word is repeated incessantly