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10:51 pm on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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my comp. has outsourced the seo. today i have received the "promo pages" to be placed on our webserver. when i looked at the source of these pages (there are about 30 of them optimized for several large se's) meta and p tags contain total noncense not related to our company at all... i'm sure there is probably a reason for it, but i was a bit surprized. i just want to make sure that we're not going to be spamming the se before i upload it to our web server. tags contain something like this:

"008000 a all color configured currently display documentwrite for frames help here in inline is law n nbsp not of or practice question re return support to"

or

"6 a all allow already and are as back before but by certificate come comfort copy course court courts day decide definitely discover do don downloading effective entertaining finish for fun go have home if in interactive is it just lengthy less like ll local mail mailing many most much need no noon not obligation of off office omer open or order our out painless pay post printer programs quality real register required requirement right s sacrificing same satisfied satisfy school service simple simplest sittings special study t take taken that the this ticket time to traffic truly try turnaround under unless us way we wherever wipe with without you your"

any help would be appreciated! thanks so much,
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11:36 pm on July 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Looks to me like you got sold a bunch of clunky, spammy, doorway pages.
I can't be sure unless I could actually SEE the pages, but you're right - those tags are just nonsense.
Based on what you're showing us here, I recommend getting you're money back from them and looking for another SEO to outsource to.
1:20 am on July 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Well, from looking at these tags, it looks as if you have some poorly done doorway pages. These pages will do you more harm than good.

Confront the company, and let them know that you are aware that these pages can be harmful to your website's standings in the search engines. Either give them a chance to do the job the right way, or get the money back that you paid for the SEO work.

It is work like this that gives SEO a bad reputation among some crowds

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Those look machine generated, they are likely cranked out in batches. I would ask the SEO company for an explanation of the content, and why they think these pages would be effective in promoting your website with search engines. I think their answers will give you a good idea of what they are about.
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thanks so much for replies. i actually spoke with their tech guy before we signed up with them and asked if their promo in any way involved spamming, he told me that because they don't submit these pages to search engines and instead wait for crawlers to index them - it's not concidered spamming... i'm just a sys. admin so i took their word for it... i'll call them tomorrow and try to find out how they plan to help our seo with terms like "pregnant company" which they inserted into their "promo pages"...
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i actually spoke with their tech guy before we signed up with them and asked if their promo in any way involved spamming, he told me that because they don't submit these pages to search engines and instead wait for crawlers to index them - it's not considered spamming

Nothing personal, but I guess, that company needs to sharpen their terminology and needs to understand the actual meaning of spam or at least make one that will be beneficial for their clients.

hwy2hel I would highly recommend you to make sure that the money you have paid better come back to you. Because good search engine positioning is not a child’s play and in my *personal* opinion, the company who is optimizing your web site with nothing but crap is not qualified to be called SEO.

Talking about spamming – one don’t have to submit a site to search engines to be considered a spammer. Say John Doe makes 100 pages with the intentions of trapping spiders, and inter link them and waits for the spider to come and index them – Do you think he is a spammer – off course he is. Lets say Mr. X makes gets 10 domains and make 100% [or even 90% or 80%] mirror sites – He is also a spammer.

In above examples John Doe and Mr. X might not call themselves a spammer, but who is suppose to decide the definition of spam here? A good SEO is the one who understand how *each and every* [or at least try to do his best – because changes in SE’s are frequent and one needs to keep updated] search engines and directory works or at least in the worst case employ only ethical techniques on their clients web site instead of questionable tricks that will/can not only get your site out of the ranking game, but it will take few months [in a good case, if your site is not that popular – than it can take even longer] to recover.

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Yes. They look like a buch of right jokers to me. It's actually quite insulting to have been given such rubbish for (i assume) good money.

Definately machine generated and absolutely worthless.

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ok, i've got the reply from the SEO company, trying to make sense of it with not luck...any thoughts? thank you so much!

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thank you,
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[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 1:19 pm (utc) on July 19, 2002]
[edit reason] TOS #9 [/edit]

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3:10 am on July 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Rubbish!
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we have not had our customers get bumped off of the engines due to our pages.

Well for this particual point, I will have to agree the SEO company that hwy2hel is using.

It is not the pages that their customers get bumped off the engines - it is their knowledge. Half knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge.

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I have personally been optimizing since 1996.

But can't possible comment any better than Air, who is on the mark...

Rubbish!
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"Crap" would be even more concise.
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Too technical buckworks!
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>>>>We have performed extensive research on the best methods to use in order to gain our customers the best possible rankings

I wonder why they don't choose to use them!

Seriously, I think that you need to check the contract that you signed with them, and what it specified they would do for you. If you are unhappy with what they are doing, you can tell them to stop it and try something else, or you can take your business elsewhere as long as there aren't legal issues involved.

The answer that you were given is not a good one at all, and if I were you, I would not accept it.

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IMHO it is quite obvious these people expect you to not understand half of what is stated in their response. Many people then would say 'ok, their knowledge is soooo above mine that I don't even understand it' and not discuss any further. DON'T!

I'm not sure whether there is a place on the net where you can register notorious would-be SEO companies using spamming techniques. If there is, that's the place for them.

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first, i want to thank u all for your help. after all my explanations, my boss still decided to go with the company. he stated that he doesn't really care about the unethical part of it and wants to see the immidate results that the company has promissed... oh well, i'll let you guys now if they really produce the results they've promissed...

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Cathrine, I would take one more crack at persuading the boss to at least look elsewhere, if for no other reason but qualified "advice" on the potential services of this company.

The...

wants to see the immediate results that the company has promised

... is the problem, but he'll only learn of this after the fact, after his money is gone and unlikely returned, and after the potential of his site being categorically removed from search engines because it personifies garbage.

What you have described above is not only spam but a "SCAM" as well.

Bottom line... an after the fact, "I told you so" isn't going to help your boss's web site to get back to where it was before this company started (let alone good positioning and qualified traffic).

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my boss still decided to go with the company. he stated that he doesn't really care about the unethical part of it and wants to see the immidate results that the company has promissed

oh dear. i hope the contract has a clause where the SEO company are liable for all losses incurred as a result of the site's being removed from search engines for spam .....

now might be a good time to start work on a new site to replace the one that's about to get booted anytime soon ....