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Dave.
So you did talk to somebody at ATW?
Sorry Dave, but says who? You? :)
>too many aff links
I doubt it. Why should they ban your site because of that?
Imo there must be other reasons why it's not in. Dynamic content, redirects, frames, links etc.
I must also ask - have you talked to them?
Mack.
"I think your site may have been penalized. Please refer to our content guidelines available on ATW. Many of the techniques you use are not over the top but it may be the nature of the content (affiliate) which draws your site for closer inspection.
I am obviously willing to discuss this with you if need be."
Not sure what to think?
Dave.
If you think it is bona fide then focus on the last sentance.
If indeed the site was dropped/not spidered only you can answer what may have caused that.
Obviously there are millions of pages in Google's index which may be viewed as being slightly or totally spammy, so being in Google I'm afraid is not an argument for other engines to index a site.
Dave.
As far as I can make out ATW has not updated their index in 3-4 months, though they do show more recent backlinks. Go figure...
I would suggest patience.
WBF
ATW = WHO CARES?
- Skipfactor: in a world where you have virtually one first tier engine and perhaps 2 or three second tier engines to care about we could of course close down all other than the Google forums. Let me tell you though the index ATW represents is not only in many people's experience equal if not better than Google's, it also delivers good traffic to many people.
Like we said probably a thousand times before: The traffic is from the portals running the ATW index, not from ATW directly.
Whoaa guys, now wait a second: - WBF: I'm sorry to hear your site didn't get refreshed, but stating the index is not updated in months is of course not true at all.
Well, ATW still shows good SERPS for a site of mine that hasn't existed since May, and it has failed to add somewhere around 120 pages from another site of mine that have been added since May.
Spider has been there - shows in my logs.
Looks like a stale index to me!
On the other hand, ATW has done a better job of updating backlinks. Go figure...
WBF
Skipfactor: in a world where you have virtually one first tier engine and perhaps 2 or three second tier engines to care about
Believe me, I'd love to rake in some convrertble off of ATW. I'm just not seeing it.
On the other hand in 2 years ATW has only sent that site 92 visitors; lycos (which uses, in part ATW) has sent 3,661.
In contrast, G has sent me 166,491 in the same time span.
I am not knocking ATW - it actually has what I would consider generally very comparable results to G - but it doesn't have traffic.
Another thing is that I think that a few days after a major player (like Yahoo) started using a "raw" version of ATW algo - you would see a *sharp* decrease in the quality of the ATW index. No one has bothered to spam it because it doesn't pull in enough traffic to make it worthwhile.
The day they put it on Yahoo guaranteed that the first 100 results for everything from "dog biscuits" to "mother teresa" are going to be the same porn site's spam page one after another.
You are sure? ;)..... The thing is however that all engines pick up the same amount of spammy pages, atleast if they really crawl extensively. If someone autogenerates a couple of thousand pages with the intention to flood Google - the same stuff is going to be picked up by ATW. Not surprisingly there are real life examples for this.
ATW has received the same share of praise and the same share of abuse for their spam filters as Google. They do filter, but as with Google the filters are far from being perfect.
I see a lot of stuff in ATW that was probably *intended* for G that doesn't show there, but is in ATW.
I am not saying that there isn't spam in ATW, I am just saying that I doubt someone said - "Okay fellows, let's launch our massive site optimized for ATW!"
Granted a good content site that performs well in Google generally performs well in ATW - and certain schemes that have worked in G (guestbook spamming) don't work with ATW - but like I said, the day ATW's traffic is put someplace where traffic will access it, that's the day that you will see ATW optimized site, pages and subdomains, just like you see for inktomi and G, etc.
Sid
If you ask me (IMHO) Google brings 100 times the traffic that Alltheweb.com does. Google even refreshes my site every 2-4 days. Alltheweb? It has a copy of my site that was indexed about 3-4 month's ago.
Yep, me too, though there are some in this forum that insist that the ATW DB is fresh and up to date.
WBF
It's quite hard to follow when FAST updates their index, they do it quite often and they don't always refresh the whole database, often they update 25% of the index every week, but usualy you will see a "BIG" update once a month.Where's the update then? I'm still waiting [webmasterworld.com]
A new press release claims a complete update every 7 - 11 days. If FAST could meet that, it surely would put them ahead significantly of the competition.FAST / ATW update cycles every 7 - 11 days? [webmasterworld.com]
* Recent links added
* Only the homepage indexed on ATW
* Top keywords on Google provide thousands of hits
* Same keywords on ATW provide.. nuthin.
Given that we are 9 months into 2003, I'd say they have some updating to do.
* Top keywords on Google provide thousands of hits
* Same keywords on ATW provide.. nuthin.
We've been saying this a 1,000 times:
ATW is NOT Google. ATW is NOT a search destination. Look for traffic that comes from portals using the FAST technology.
Spend your time on something else ;)
ATW is NOT Google. ATW is NOT a search destination. Look for traffic that comes from portals using the FAST technology.
If its not Google and its not a search destination , then what is it? And when ATW/FAST beat Google , Why was there a BIG chaos in the press? When ATW is not a search destination?
Sid
FAST develops revolutionary search solutions that transform search from a powerful, yet narrowly perceived operational function, to a strategic and tactical organizational capability
[fastsearch.com...]
A search technology company.
AlltheWeb combines one of the largest and freshest indices with the most powerful search features that allow anyone to find anything faster than with any other search engine.
www.alltheweb.com/info/about/
All the Web is clearly meant to be a "search destination".
WBF
Up to now what Rumbas says is 100% on target. ATW has been the showcase for Fast. Fast operated exactly like INK, who don't have a direct outlet at all.
Then came Overture, plans were made..., now here's Yahoo, and new plans are made...
We'll see.
