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Fast ranking oscillates

Still Baffled by Fast



7:55 pm on Aug 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Some time ago i was becoming paranoid because of a site which had been at number 1 dropping to number 17.

I have paid for inclusion which causes the spider to revisit every 48 hours.

I'm not changing anything at the moment but the rank ocilates from number 1 to number 17.

This site, for the same search term is in the top 4 on all of the majors, including Google, Yahoo, Teoma, Inktomi etc etc and is in Dmoz. If anything it is over optimized for the search term but I am loathed to change anything because I don't want to lose my good ranking in the major search engines.

Can anyone suggest why the rank should ocilate so wildly?



9:22 pm on Aug 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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sid, I can't answer the question directly, I just noticed a big change with one site myself. I believe in my case it could have something to do with whether it's the index page or not. There's some kind of correlation there that I believe might have something to do with clustering, but I haven't got it figured out.

To help with downstream replies, is it the index/homepage of the site, or an interior page? How about external links to the page in question?


9:28 pm on Aug 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ditto what Marcia says, and also where do you check: ATW or somewhere Lycos or another partner?


9:40 am on Aug 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Is listed in ODP as well?

Wondering if this could cause the flux. Kind-of-like Google adding new pages etc. between updates, maybe Fast throws in the ODP factor later in the algo?
It has to be from Fast's side if you don't change the site in between.

I'm baffled like you Sid.

I don't check the rakings on such a frequent basis that I can see the same thing. Maybe a good idea to that.


10:24 am on Aug 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for your replies.

It is an index page and yes it is in ODP.

I use the SEO toolset at Bruceclay and this produces a spreadsheet report of a sites ranking in the major search engines. When I see something change markedly I investigate a bit deeper. In this case I go to both Alltheweb and Lycos and as you might expect the movement from 1 to 17 occurs on both All and Lycos.

The ranking on Google changes from 1 to 3 and back again. It is fairly stable on the other majors.

If I could work out what is happening on Alltheweb I would try and change whatever is causing the problem.

best wishes



11:26 pm on Aug 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Sid there are weird things going on with the listing of the home/index page.
I take it you are monitoring specifically the ranking of this index page for a keyword/phrase.
What happens when you take that same keyword/phrase and see if any other page of your site or the domain itself comes up on top?

A related (that's what I believe at least) thread is here:


7:01 pm on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi Heini,

Hi Heini thanks for your help, Im sorry i have not replied earlier but I've been on holiday in Majorca, 4 days of sun 3 of torrential rain and left my computer at home.

My strategy has been to highly optimise my index.html page and to submit this to search engines and directories. One of the main reasons for this is that I want my visitors to be led into the site the right way, currently I need to use javascript to check data before it is passed to a Perl script so i send them through a redirect page to check that they have Javascript enabled. I'm looking toi change this to Perl only shortly.

I am learning about search engine ranking by trial and error and reading here and elsewhere. Having read the thread that you pointed to, by co-incidence I was wondering if my home page might be over optimised for Fast, so I did a less keyword dense version and submitted that with the full URL. However the URL listed in Fast is still just the domain name.

The server that this site is on defaults to index.html, I've now put in a page called index.htm and submitted this to Fast through the Lycos paid inclusion.

My optimisation majors on a single search term which is by far the most heavily used acording to Overture's search term suggestion tool. I also add in some of the other pertinent terms suggested. The idea is to get good quality visitors who are actively looking for our service. As I have said before we score very highly for the main search term on Google, Yahoo et al and I've been loathed to change anything to suit other lesser search engines. Our service is UK orientated however and Lycos.co.uk is therefore important, so Fast is important. I'm hoping that
I have solved the problem by submitting a full URL and will let you know how I get on.

many thanks



3:57 am on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I am sorry to say that I too am having major concerns with Alltheweb and it's unbelievable changes on a daily basis...and the things that come up with the search terms are completely irrelivant.

I pray that Fast does not become a major influence in web searches if this is to continue. It is the "only" search engine that has such poor and differing results for our keywords on a daily basis. One day I am number 6 and the next no where to be found...every week the same thing...very strange behavior as it is ever changing.

Today...very strange results for our keywords...some have nothing and I mean nothing to do with the region or the industry...what is up with this search engine?

And seeing the same for Lycos, as our site with insite select, paid for inclusion and "that" to is not showing. One referal from Fast in the three months listed...and hundreds from others on a daily basis.

Why is this search engine talked about in these boards as the new up and coming best? I just don't get it. If it was relivant and consistant I would not feel this way, but I have been monitoring daily and it is like a "wild card" with results.

Best, Linda


9:31 am on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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We are having the same problems right now Linda. I`ll send them an e-mail to see if I can get some kind of explination from them.


7:33 am on Sep 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It seems like the SERP`s are back to normal now for all of our sites.

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