Is Fast Really Up-to-Date?

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Is Fast Really Up-to-Date?

Homepage updated daily on Google, yet it is 3 months old on Fast

ijan

10:23 am on Dec 31, 2001 (gmt 0)

It is not uncommon to see comments stating that Fast's database is fresher than that of Google's, and how it is faster than Google. First of all I think the speed difference is negligible. But the real discrepancy lies in the freshness claim. My site has a page rank of 6 in Google's index, and the homepage and some other pages from the site are updated daily and the whole site is updated monthly by Google. On the other hand, after using AllTheWeb's advanced search feature, I have discovered that 0% of my site was updated in the last month, 10% was updated in the last three months, and 90% was updated in the last six months! So what does this mean? Does Fast make false claims or what?! (sorry I'm a little angry at them). Besides, I hardly get any referrals from Fast and its licensees while I get over 10,000 referrals from Google every month.

Top

2:33 pm on Dec 31, 2001 (gmt 0)

I had a new site get listed in fast last month, but at the same time a site that was listed months ago hasnt been updated at all. I used to think that fast had the same algo as google but I think that might have changed due to what I have seen in the serps lately. Besides all this, I get zero traffic from Fast even when I do have top listngs so Im not overly concerned about it. sorry if I swerved into a broader topic.

Peace!

EvilGorilla

5:50 pm on Dec 31, 2001 (gmt 0)

The fast update schedule has been much longer as of late, most people believe it is because of the major upgrades that fast is making. It was about two months between the last update, and that was in early december. While most of my pages were updated with the last update, some of mine were not updated. I know that fast is spidering pages that are clicked on. My pages that they have spidered in this way have not changed, so I don't know if they are checking for changes or just setting up to update more fast in the future. Their claims are not actually false in fact, earlier this year they reported that the index was updated every 9-12 days, with their latest press releases they quoted someone else who had used there early number. So technically the claim they made is true, it is just very sneaky. As for referrals, i get a lot less from fast but I find that they are almost all directed at content I have.

Just a quick note for people wanting to check the date of spidering of pages in the fast index. You can use [evreka.passagen.se ] , a serch engine powered by fast.

Top

6:00 pm on Dec 31, 2001 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the link. It tells me my site was last updated sept 27 2001. Sure wouldnt mind an update.

Peace!

heini

6:07 pm on Dec 31, 2001 (gmt 0)

Compare evreka with alltheweb: huge differences.
Alltheweb anyhow does not display pages at this time that already had been listed.
Something is not working too well over there, which likely is the reason why updates don't happen as announced.

Ove

6:36 pm on Dec 31, 2001 (gmt 0)

I have not seen any update in Evreka, but lycos.se it take just a couple of days to get in their index and their webbcatalog is very fast a couple of days there to.

Iam not sure how much fast is involved with lycos.se it seems like it have their own life sometime.

btw: Arent you guys celebating new year??

/Ove

Michael Weir

5:16 pm on Jan 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>>>>Compare evreka with alltheweb: huge differences. Alltheweb anyhow does not display pages at this time that already had been listed.

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying?? I did an identical search with evereka and alltheweb (a three word key phrase) and they pulled the same results.

heini

5:45 pm on Jan 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Michael, I don't use evreka regularly. When I checked on 31. December there were huge differences in the number and the ranking of the results returned by evreka and alltheweb. Looking today I find them much more in sync.
Perhaps our scandinavian experts can tell us if this was a coincidence or if this happens on a regular basis.

Michael Weir

5:51 pm on Jan 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

The SEO mystery is perpetual. :)

Ove

6:22 pm on Jan 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

In the begining of an update it could be a huge diffrent but when ist stable its pretty similir results.

It looks like evreka is working on cleaner results they usally have alot of sites in the same url.

Lycos.se i dont understand that but you could get in there in a few days! they are using their own directory wich is very fast mostley.

The same problem there wich is in odp they change your title and description and use it for search results.

/Ove

lazerzubb

3:22 pm on Jan 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

>> Lycos.se i dont understand that but you could get in there in a few days! they are using their own directory wich is very fast mostley.

That's because lycos.se is powered by Inktomi.

Rumbas

12:34 am on Jan 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

>That's because lycos.se is powered by Inktomi.
I don't agree. Here you got searches for 'danmark' on:

Lycos SE [lycossvar.spray.se]
Fast [alltheweb.com]

Indentical serps.
Lazer, what makes you say Ink?
..the Hotbot logo?

>Evreka

Right now Evreka is showing default Fast results.
A search for denmark yield around 780K results on Fast using default language and on Evreka using default which is 'World'.
I think the flux we saw should go under "still toying with new features" ;)

Ove it too anoys me that they use the ODP stuff if you're in there. I would be nice if they'd at least let us control the way our sites appear.

lazerzubb

3:02 pm on Jan 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Indentical serps.
Lazer, what makes you say Ink?
..the Hotbot logo?

When i looked there were an Inktomi logo instead of a Fast Logo, we have seen them change before and they did it for a short while too, but now it's back for Fast again.

heini

10:42 pm on Jan 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Lycos.se
Same thing has happened in December when Fast was down for some hours. Lycos immeadiately switched to Ink. Seem to keep them in reserve.

Ove

1:03 pm on Jan 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

Lycos.se

When you do a search and get you answer, the first 3 answer is from the directory if there match your search word. The world search get answer from FAST and the swedish.

The directory is updated once a week seens January before once in 14 days.

Hope fully we could pay for spidering in the end of Jan.

The directory got 40 000 sites in the db.

So its very important to get in the directory and with keyword in title and hope they will not change it. Its the same thing like odp changing titles.

Inktomi have nothing to do with lycos exept for hotbot.

/Ove

heini

2:16 pm on Jan 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Inktomi have nothing to do with lycos exept for hotbot.

Lazer is correct: when he posted the above comment, Lcos.se had a big fat Inktomi logo on their SERPs. We saw the very same thing back on 4. December on several Lycos sites:
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum4/366.htm [webmasterworld.com]
They use Ink as backdrop for Fast down times.

Ove

2:47 pm on Jan 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have talked to them today and i asked just that question and she told me that way. I saw that logo to but it was there a very short time

This is info from lycos just not my thought.

/Ove

Rumbas

3:59 pm on Jan 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Ink as backdrop for Fast down times.
Aha! :)
So lazer, you saw the Ink logo then, eh?

lazerzubb

6:07 pm on Jan 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yes the INKTOMI logo was there when i looked they might just used it for some hours what do i know, all i know is that they used Inktomi provided results at the time i posted that message.