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Determine web site ranking by visitors per day

         

kdean

2:02 am on Oct 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have a web site that sees anywhere from 12,000 to 15,000 unique visitors per day with the number of hits approaching 500,000 (about 80,000 page views so roughly 5-7 views per user).

Here's the problem: the site isn't listed in any search engine (the links to it are private and maintained by our clients) and I was wondering if there is some way to determine where the above volume puts our site in the web world overall. I know we're in the top 1%, but only because most web sites get almost no traffic at all.

Any help putting some meaning into our statistics would be much appreciated.

derekwong28

4:18 pm on Oct 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sign up for the Alexa toolbar and install it on your browser, you will see a rough traffic rank.

You can also check you site on [ranking.com...]

Both services are not accurate and you have to assess which one apply to your situation.

prophecy

8:54 pm on Oct 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Where do they get their information?

kdean

9:04 pm on Oct 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I looked into both options. The data in ranking.com is out-of-date and unusable (some of the sites are shells of what they used to be and others are down completely). Alexa gets its info from the small cross-section of the population that installs its toolbar and is not statistically reliable.

ncw164x

9:13 pm on Oct 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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try http*://www.metricsmarket.com/

for some reason it is not returning any result at this moment in time but was quite reliable last week on the sites I checked with the results it gave

ncw164x

lawboy

4:55 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just tried http*://www.metricsmarket.com/

It said webmasterworld.com got 8 million visits last month and xbox.com got about 2 million. No way that is accurate.

Marketing Guy

5:04 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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A few us on my forum tried this out - general opinion was that metricsmarket is way out.

The estimate for one of my sites is 3 times the actual figure.

Scott

claus

5:22 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The above mentioned service:

Methodology is proprietary information and a closely guarded secret at this time until we have completed investigations into protection and copyright. Information is gathered from a large segment of Internet users

Never-ever trust any measurement that says "Methodology is proprietary information". If they won't tell you how they do it, you have no chance of knowing if the figures are right or not. Or rather, how wrong they are and in which cases. This goes no matter if they are called Nielsen or Doe.

>> WebmasterWorld vs xbox

Well, i could believe that - not the numbers, but that WebmasterWorld had more sessions. Still, if you know the facts, the numbers from the abovementioned service do not seem reliable. Not that i know the figures from these two specific sites though. Traffic figures are publicly available for the largest commercial sites in Denmark, Sweden and Norway measured using cookie data and consistent methodology, which also is publicly available.

Comparing the known (public figures) to the estimate (above mentioned service) yields great differences, not even ranking order is right.

/claus


Welcome to WebmasterWorld kdean :)

lawboy

8:07 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You could believe webmasterworld.com has 4 times the visitor sessions as xbox.com? I've been to xbox.com message boards alone have millions of posts. I can't imagine how much traffic the homepage gets.

claus

7:53 am on Oct 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> 4 times

No, not four times, on second thought i might be wrong. If you include the very young then xbox will probably see more sessions, and there's no real way of not including them as long as it's raw traffic. For some reason i did not think about kids, that was a big error, sorry about that.

Macro

10:49 am on Oct 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Or you can go here and get an idea of what your Alexa ranking would be if you were in fact a "public" site:
[sillyjokes.co.uk...]

I'll add that Alexa isn't ideal at all. Do read all the disclaimers and use it as a rough guide - provided you are not based in Korea and are not visited by a disproportionately large number of webmasters (or people with Alexa toolbar), or disproportionately large number of newbie internet users who are less likely to know about Alexa or .... you get the picture.

Never-ever trust any measurement that says "Methodology is proprietary information".

Agreed. Hitwise does disclose methods but it costs big money.