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Seeing "GET / FAVICON.ICO" in my logs

whats it mean?

     

PFOnline

6:22 am on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you see "GET / FAVICON.ICO" in your logs, does that mean someone has just added your site to there favorites?

Or does that mean theyve just opened there browser favorites list?

Also, how do you know, if people are clicking your site from there favorites list?

Thanks :)

deejay

8:17 am on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It likely means they have added your page to their favorites. But I think I recall discusssions here recently where it was showing up for another reason... perhaps something to do with a specific browser? Site search might turn it up.

As to how you know they are clicking on you from their favorites.. unfortunately you don't. It will show up with no referrer, but that could be type in traffic too.

tedster

8:21 am on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That's OK, it's time we talked some about the recent browser changes relative to favicon.ico. There are now other reasons besides a bookmark/favorite for a GET favifon.ico in your logs.

For instance, Opera 7 will display the favicon in the location bar and the window tab, whether it's bookmarked or not. And it DOESN'T display the icon in a bookmark list!

Phoenix 0.5, Netscape 7 and other recent flavors of Mozilla show the favicon in the location window but not on the tab or the bookmark.

Opera and Mozilla will call for the favicon if there's a link to it in the header.

Explorer 6 diplays the favicon in the bookmark file, but not on the location bar. It only calls for the .ico file if you create a new favorite, and then it reads it from the cache.

So, there's not a lot you can read into the favicon "GET" anymore, unless you isolate Explorer in your log analysis. Then you can get an idea of how many bookmarks have been created. But with the other browsers possibly calling for the file on every page they hit, the numbers can become meaningless with just a few "other browser" sessions in the log.

[edited by: tedster at 9:15 am (utc) on Mar. 23, 2003]

engine

8:21 am on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yup, it's someone bookmarking your site. [webmasterworld.com]

keyplyr

9:40 am on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Explorer 6 diplays the favicon in the bookmark file, but not on the location bar. It only calls for the .ico file if you create a new favorite, and then it reads it from the cache. - tedster

Explorer 6 WILL display the favicon in the location bar IF you have previously saved the site to favorites AND the favicon is still cached AND you either reload the page OR access the page from the favorites menu a second time.

Unversed

12:07 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Opera and Mozilla will call for the favicon if there's a link to it in the header.

So does that mean that
if there is no link to favicon in your header
and you see a get for favicon in your logs
then it must be an IE user bookmarking?

tedster

12:46 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Explorer 6 WILL display the favicon in the location bar IF...

I knew my IE6 was flaky - thanks for the correction

...if there is no link to favicon...then it must be an IE user bookmarking?

That's my current presumption - but I am nowhere near 100% certain on it and haven't done thorough testing.

phaze3k

1:02 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Konqueror by default requests favicon.ico for all sites and displays it in the URL bar, and the latest Mozilla CVS does the same I believe.

WibbleWobble

1:47 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Phoenix 0.5, Netscape 7 and other recent flavors of Mozilla show the favicon in the location window but not on the tab or the bookmark.
Phoenix .5 does show icons in the tabs, and in the bookmarks. Though the bookmarks one vanishes after a while.

Dave2

8:07 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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By using a pref I've set up my mozilla [1.3] to display all favicons, with a link or without. On Linux:
$MOZDIR/defaults/pref/all.js
pref("browser.chrome.favicons", true);
That appears to have changed it.
I'm just having fun annoying myself with my error log :) (well, on my local / web accessible web server.)

danny

4:27 am on Mar 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When I count bookmarkings, I only count favicon fetches where the agent string containts "MSIE", to avoid overcounting Konqueror, Mozilla, etc. auto-fetches.

FoodPlaces

4:47 am on Mar 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi all...

Mozilla now can show favicon no the tabs, and even on the "Personals Toolbar" and it's dropdown menus. Mozilla automatically requests the file with no user intervention.

- Rob

mcdave

2:34 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Following another thread here, I now ban certain user-agents. This wouldn't be relevant to this discussion but when I check thru my log files for 403, I see several requests from Safari, followed by a favicon request by an UA identified by "-" with HTTP_REFERER "-" which has the same address as the Safari making other requests.
I assume that this is some strange bug in Safari. Has anyone noticed some sites not serving up favicon? Does this happen to anyone else? If so, is it only Safari?
And does anyone know why it doesn't identify itself only for the favicon request?

WibbleWobble

4:20 pm on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Isn't Safari still beta? I'd expect it to be a bug, rather than an intentional omission, really.

pmkpmk

12:14 pm on Apr 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just "wrote" a small unix shellskript which lists the adresses of the surfers acessing favicon.ico - assuming that they are users bookmarking your page (yeah, I know, not 100% true anymore).

Feel free to use it or change it in any way you want.

#!/bin/sh
grep \/favicon.ico $1 awk '{print $1}' sort -f uniq

Usage:

# favicon.sh /path/to/my/server/logs/access.log

Have fun!

VisiBone

6:41 pm on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks, Danny, I'd pretty much reached the same conclusion. I'll now tally only those favicon.ico hits with "MSIE" in the User-Agent.

I went through a lot of favicon hits in my logs and every case where the hit was very "new" (i.e. within seconds of the entrance hit and the off-site referrer, implying that it was automatically triggered by the browser) the User-Agent had "Gecko" or "Konqueror" in it but never "MSIE". Actually one did have "MSIE" but it seemed as if it could have been a hasty Add-to-favorites. Nearly all "MSIE" hits to favicon.ico were lone (no traffic from that IP address within the preceding or following seconds).

What a shame, it would be sooo terribly useful to know for sure who was bookmarking so I could qualify the traffic from Google AdWords. The more I study logs the less I feel I know for sure. Don't even get me started on CookieTracking...

-- Bob Stein, VisiBone

LogFan

10:52 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well, I don't know if this is of use, even a little simplistic, but if you want to know MSIE share ("true bookmark"), wouldn't it be easy to multiply the total number of ico downloads by the percentage of all visitors using IE browsers? It won't unfortunately help give an accurate measure of people who bookmarked the site (a real dream), but this is at least easy to get the MSIE share...
 

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