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Free Submission is a Joke

Has anyone noticed the dramatic decrease in new sites?

         

ijan

6:48 pm on Dec 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Take this for example:

[dir.yahoo.com...]

Almost all of the subcategories except web hosting (of course) has not been updated for months, and the quality of the many of the existing links is questionable, and that's putting it nicely.

Only people who can afford paying $299 can enter Yahoo (excluding fan site categories and some regional listings maybe). At least they could tell this. I don't know you, but I've had enough of it. My time is valuable, and I don't want to submit a site that will never make it to the directory no matter how good it is. It is a waste of time and an insult to human intellect.

litmania

3:41 am on Dec 9, 2001 (gmt 0)



Hey, good point. I agree 100%

Some of the listings in the category I've been trying to submit to are so amateur looking and haven't been updated for months.

Yet my UK movie site which is updated daily and packed full of state-of-the-art features won't get listed, even though I've tried Yahoo UK's free submission method a few times over the last year.

Do affiliate links mean a site is deemed to be "commercial"? Maybe that's why Yahoo aren't accepting us...

Laisha

4:04 am on Dec 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>Only people who can afford paying $299 can enter Yahoo (excluding fan site categories and some regional listings maybe).

Maybe it's dependent upon category, but I've had no problems with free listings for appropriate site. The last one I listed free took 8 days. I submit five or six a month, and have only failed with 4 sites in the last year.

Webmasterworld was also a free submission, and I don't remember exactly how long it took, but I do remember it was quick.

>Do affiliate links mean a site is deemed to be "commercial"? Maybe that's why Yahoo aren't accepting us...

It's a matter of degree, I think. If the site is deemed "commercial in nature," then you need to go with BizEx. Most of those I've had luck with have some commercial aspect to them -- Amazon affiliation, a banner or two, or informational sites which are put up by businesses -- but the non-commercial is not overpowered by the commercial.

Clearly, an online shopping site would be commercial. A patriotic news portal with a page of Amazon links to related music and books would not. The line is somewhere in between.

GreginManitoba

1:04 am on Dec 11, 2001 (gmt 0)



Getting a free listing in the Yahoo Directory is totally arbitrary and depends upon the person working at Yahoo who reviews your website.

I have 2 religious websites - one Catholic and one which is more Protestant oriented. The Catholic one is listed very well in the Yahoo Directory, the Protestant one is not.

The topics of these websites are very different, but the website presentation, the content and graphics, the formatting and the quality of information on the sites is very similar.

And in fact the Protestant one is the better done site in my humble estimation (grin), but is not listed at all under the category in Yahoo to which I submitted it. The person at Yahoo who is in charge of this "section" of Yahoo refuses to list my site, even though there are sites in this same topic that are, on the surface, somewhat poorly done and amateurish in the extreme.

This means....that listings in Yahoo depend on who you are dealing with at Yahoo and how they feel on any particular day, and have not a great deal to do with performance standards.

This is unfortunate but a fact of Yahoo life. It is a great directory. It just doesn't really weigh a website's appeal and validity in a fair fashion.

Best wishes - Greg

Tapolyai

4:33 am on Dec 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Woah! If what you are saying is true GreginManitoba, and this news gets out to the general public before Yahoo can fix it, I would think it's the begining of the end for Yahoo...

Laisha

4:58 am on Dec 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>Woah! If what you are saying is true GreginManitoba, and this news gets out to the general public before Yahoo can fix it, I would think it's the begining of the end for Yahoo...

Given the fact that human editors (such as those at Yahoo) are indeed human, the fact that human nature is a factor should come as no shock, even to the general public.

Although I don't think I would use the word "arbitrary," I would definitely agree that acceptance criteria probably varies from editor to editor, and that Mary's descriptions on a "good day" probably differ from Mary's descriptions on a bad day, and that Mary's descriptions probably differ from John's in general.

The general public has already been informed that Yahoo is possibly the least relevant, most exclusive, and smallest of major directories. Generally spekaing, in general, the general public doesn't really care much. They go for the recognized name.

Perhaps it is strictly luck, then, that some people can get free submissions and others cannot. Who knows?

Tapolyai

6:06 am on Dec 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I believe the general public has not the foggiest idea how subjective the listings are.

>the fact that human nature is a factor should come as no shock, even >to the general public.

That is true. On the other hand we have dozens of laws governing corporations on what grounds they can refuse service. Religion is not one of them.

Just one good journalist needs to get her hands on this, and it would be a public nightmare for Yahoo.

ijan

9:01 am on Dec 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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As a matter of fact, some editors do not even care to visit your site. For the last six months or so, my site has received 0 (zero) visits from Yahoo editors according to the site logs although I submitted it 2-3 times during that time.

To be totally honest, my site did have the honor (!) to serve someone from Yahoo, but he/she arrived from a search engine (guess which one? Google of course!) apparently while doing a research on a topic.

backus

2:53 pm on Dec 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I have been battling with Yahoo for ages, and in my personal opinion, it is doomed simply because of the arrogance of the management. I live in the Czech Republic, a former communist country. The way the management works in Yahoo reflects how Czech business works. There is too much arrogance and too much of a we're the best attitude. It will bring certain death to Yahoo, just as to the Czech companies. I am watching more and more companies being wiped out by British companies here in CZ, simply because the British companies know how to treat their clients. When K-Mart came here, they didn't change the attitudes of the Czechs working in the company, and the Americans who came here to manage K-Mart treated their posting as a holiday. K-Mart finally went bankrupt and was bought by Tesco. The British company now owns many Department stores and Hypermarkets and will, as of next year when they open their first Hypermarket in China, the biggest retail chain in the world, bigger than WalMart. My point is, that Tesco understood that the customer comes first, whereas K-Mart didn't. Google, Fast, and to an extent, AltaVista, have realised that by coming to this forum and getting more involved. Yahoo would never do that. This is where Google etc will succeed and Yahoo will crash and burn.

2_much

7:37 am on Dec 12, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I'd be really scared if that happened. What would be the alternative? AOL - horrible to try and get into DMOZ for some categories, due to editor politics and issues. MSN - some categories never update, and others update very rarely (I find it very hard to optimize for MSN). Google - great, but the traffic (for some cat's) is not quite there yet. Or, more accurately, what I've seen is that the traffic is there but not the buyers. We get so many more sales from Yahoo. None of the other engines deliver a lot of targetted traffic with people willing to buy (for my cat's). So I really really really hope Yahoo fixes their customer service problem so they stay on top. That's just my experience.