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Yahoo Update?

Sep. 21, 2005

     
1:26 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Been seeing various changes across a lot of serps.
6:44 pm on Sep 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Big return to normalcy for me just after 1pm EST for me as well.

::phew:: that was a close one. Good thing they had backups ;)

6:56 pm on Sep 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes, very weird... everything is right back in its place now. Boy I sure would love to understand about how their updates work, and what it means to see them bouncing around like this.
7:04 pm on Sep 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This will not be the end of this. Normally, this will go on for 2-3 days. But what settles down as the final results will not be what you are currently calling "normal". There will be new SERPs.
7:19 pm on Sep 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Leaving aside how good the results are now when "normal-ish", it seems clear for awhile we were seeing only a small portion of the index, or at least an index that wasn't meant to be seen. So maybe it would be just good to ignore the few hours of "that can't be right" that went on.

The results seem pretty good now, and I see new pages listed, so this is new "pretty good" data, which may be the best part.

7:41 pm on Sep 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for that steveb.

Yahoo for all its faults at least seem able to make transitions/rollbacks (or whatever) fast, and react in real time, unlike you know who.

8:15 pm on Sep 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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steveb - "or at least an index that wasn't meant to be seen"

that was my exact thought on what was happening.
Gave me an Idea of how many more Scrapers are on a loose. All documented for farther investigation.

3:12 pm on Sep 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Could this update explain why Slurp has been hammering me for the last several days (maybe even weeks) ... there is no less than 3 bots on my domain for the last several days, no matter when I check my live users (custom built system) Slurp is always there... normal?
7:10 pm on Sep 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes, everything is back.
Do you have any idea what might be the reason for this
"TEST UPDATE"?
11:57 am on Sep 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'd have to agree with kamikaze Optimizer.
10:08 pm on Sep 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think Yahoo has gone stark raving mad or was bribed.

I vanished off the top 100 for my keyword, which I've had for 7 years and was replaced by Amazon Books among some other nutty replacements.

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12:21 am on Sep 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Something is shaking with Yahoo... Slurp is going mad on every site that I work with.
1:31 am on Sep 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In an earlier update, my site was dropped, but recent yahoo update brought my site back into Yahoo.
Almost every bit of my website is indexed now.
6:31 am on Sep 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>>Something is shaking with Yahoo

it's always shaking. Yahoo is very unstable. Unlike Google that has its "shake", then gives us a brake for another 3-4 months, Yahoo is shaking every month, or even every week. Sometimes my site goes #1. Then a week later it suddenly drops #30. Than it's back on first page, then... on page 100. The same with my competitors.

I don't care about Yahoo anymore, coz I know: no matter how good is my position today, it's not going to be like that tomorrow.

8:40 am on Sep 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well, Google also seems to have an Algo updated lately. My main keywords are still on same positions but the visitorís rate dropped 30% on Google. However, I'm fine with Yahoo, see no negative changes!
11:15 am on Sep 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"it's always shaking. Yahoo is very unstable. Unlike Google that has its "shake", then gives us a brake for another 3-4 months, Yahoo is shaking every month, or even every week. Sometimes my site goes #1. Then a week later it suddenly drops #30. Than it's back on first page, then... on page 100. The same with my competitors."

I don't think this is a sign of instability. More like a sign of a strong engine.

What makes more sense and which is better for webmasters, mixing up results and keeping them fresh, or having our site drop out of Google for months (and still counting) b/c of silly issues like 301s and dup content?

Also, when was the last time you had new commerical site indexed in Google?

2:34 pm on Sep 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>>no matter how good is my position today, it's not going to be like that tomorrow.

Haven't had that experience at all - actually, after an update, I can usually count on the index being stale/as is for several weeks.

3:36 pm on Sep 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have found Google to be the least stable ('everflux' anyone?) and Yahoo to be the most. MSN in the middle.
4:36 pm on Sep 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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One of our websites went from being penalized, to being #1, to being #78 - all in one month! I don't call this stable.
7:18 pm on Sep 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone know what is going on with Yahoo? We have a site that was ranked #78 for a keyword this morning. A few hours later it was ranked #1. Now it is ranked #78 again.
7:41 pm on Sep 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>>what is going on with Yahoo

It is updating-tweaking and things will continue to move until they're done. They update almost in a "dance" fashion as Google used to from what I've observed over the last two or three months.

8:49 pm on Sep 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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A search for one of the largest industry groups in the US has a geocities site at #10 with the title "This site no longer available". That is pathetic by any measure.
8:51 pm on Sep 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Kirby:
care to sticky me that niche/keyword?
11:59 pm on Sep 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone get the feeling that Yahoo is trying to copy Google a little too much?
It seems that while Google has been improving its Search Results and features lately, Yahoo has been behind and is showing horrendous results.
I feel if Yahoo discontinued benchmarking Google (with respect to Search Engine Algorithms), Yahoo would be in much better shape.
12:29 am on Sep 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Couldn't agree more; they just bit off more than they can chew. Improve upon what you are, don't constantly try and be something your not.
9:48 pm on Sep 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't know what the "Yahoo's" at Yahoo are up to but, it defiantly isn't pretty. They are indexing everything and ignoring robots.txt file just to claim their index is bigger. I could care less personally. Its all a matter of how that "bigger" index is sorted and presented to me.

Their new spam prevention techniques have done nothing but hurt good, honest webmasters for no reason.

[edited by: martinibuster at 5:41 pm (utc) on Sep. 29, 2005]
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1:31 am on Sep 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well, as for my experience, the SERPS at Yahoo are really not settled. My site as moved from the first position, to nowhere, then to third position, then to 22, then to 18 (for three days) and now it's again nowhere to be found.

Arghhh I hope I can comeback to first or third, but I have a bad feeling about this, Is everyone's site moving like that lately?

What could be the cause of such position changing?

Thanks

8:35 am on Sep 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yahoo is still bouncing around.

They seem to have gone to a smaller index again, (not as small as the one seen Saturday) but smaller.

Wonder why they do this - I have no doubt (well a little) it will bounce back again.

Guess this is just the way it updates - perhaps they have to clear some old data before adding some new?

3:30 pm on Sep 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I hope all my competitors boycott Yahoo! also.

My site has been back in its #1 spot for a few days and it hasn't moved. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it stays there.

4:55 pm on Sep 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We also are not doing well in Yahoo like we were. I hope they go back to the old listings from a 12 weeks ago.
8:39 pm on Sep 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>>They are indexing everything and ignoring robots.txt file just to claim their index is bigger

Actually, they are "discovering" the URL's. They don't cache them, or index their content - just that the URL exists. FYI, Google does this as well.

As a general comment - maybe some day, we can have an actual algo dicsussion at some point and not a thread of 200 "my site went down, I hate Yahoo" - "my site went up, Yahoo rocks".... someday...

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