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At the beginning I though that everything was the same and here ( in Italy) eveything seem the same.
Bu very soon I realized that there was a big update. I browsed on yahoo using an anonymizer sowftare like www.anonymizer.com .
My opinion is that only robust sites had no trouble.
I held number one position for 16m results for .com and .co.uk for one month with a very clean site, now it's nowhere in that result!
I assume once you have dropped down you can get back up..?
You may want to do a site search for asdf on WebmasterWorld. Here you go [google.com], I did it for you.
When you say over optimized what do you mean. Do you mean on page factors or off (links).
Im not convinced that it has to do with on page factors. I'll try to explain what I see in Yahoo's serps.
Ok my 4 word keywords are...
[blue red cool widgets]
[green yellow cool widgets]
[black brown cool widgets]
Ok my 3 word keywords are...
[blue red widgets]
[green yellow widgets]
[black brown widgets]
Ok my 2 word keywords are...
Now Im going after alot of keywords from my homepage so my I prioritize my on page factors...
Title Tag: Cool Widgets blue red green yellow brown black
Before the update I was number one for both 3 and 4 word searches. I ranked in the top 5 for the 2 word searches.
After the update my 3 and 4 word keywords droped from the number 1 postion down to about 3 to 5. I lost about all my 2 word searches except for one.... cool widgets!
Now when I do -asdf search of any of the keyword phrases boom Im number 1.
Its hard to argue that there is a penalty for on page factors as my site is most optimized for "cool widgets" and less optimized for the 3 and 4 keyword phrases.
About off page factors... ok... I have a pretty big reciprocal link directory and I link from my homepage to 7 related autority sites that link back to mine from theirs. I have plenty of links for the 3 and 4 word phrases. Its all mixed up pretty evenly. Now I do have alot of links that include "cool widgets" but none that say only "cool widgets".
Im really confused on what Im seeing. Im getting out ranked by poorer quality mom and pop sites that have very few links and use moderate seo on onpage factors. I dont however see any spam pages. Everything is authentic and related but the sites at the top arent the best ones out there.
I thought that I might have a bad apple in my recip directory and this is causing a penalty but you guys are seeing the same as I.
However, I just checked the rankings of the autority sites that I link to from my homepage and it seems they were hit pretty bad too. I dont know.
So... What are you guys seeing? Do you guys have recip directories? Do you guys crosslink from your homepage? What kind of filter/penalty is it? And where do we go from here?
Im seeing OLD sites with barely any Keywords or structure in the front page serps. And noone has touched these old sites in like years..
I say wait it out, dont do anything, they cant possibly serve this up for too much longer before they se an overall drop in business because people cant find what they are looking for.
I also think its for $$$$$ keywords, for the smaller ones I havent really been affected, I think they are targeting the big dollar keywords for sure, and puposely serving up garbage to boost ad sales.
In the results I'm examining when I use -asdf the big losers are a site for green tea and a bbc.co.uk page. Without the -asdf all the results are about green widgets and no mention of green tea. I think the green tea and the bbc pages are kicking in because they are authority sites and they have the two words in.
Just a reminder, when -asdf was used in Google it produced 2 entirely different sets of results - not a filtered set.
If this is the final set of SERPS Yahoo you are in dire straits!
On a side note realistically your revenue is going to go up because your forcing people into utilizing YSM! Taking a page out of Google's book!
Iíll give em another 6 to 10 weeks (it took Google 2-3 months to start changing from Florida) and see if this algo still is in place. If it is, then I will be under the assumption that they find their serps to be good enough and thus be strong evidence that this algo is deliberate anti-seo.
Search for your main keywords the ones they charge a lot for, for the sponsered results.
Then - do a search for the smaller keywords that you rank for, the ones you know for sure they dont charge very much for.
In my area, I'm finding crap results (on purpose) in the High Dollar keywords, the low budget smaller ones I still rank perfect, unchanged.
If that is not enough evidense then I dont know what is.
YAHOO - you will only hurt yourself in the long run. The Spike in revenue you see now, will start a downhill slide and you will never recover. The ultimate goal of a search engine(besides revenue) is to provide relevant results for searched terms. If you loose this ability you loose your search engine(and Revenue!)........ Thats all I gots to say about that......