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Also, IMO, the so-called sandbox over at G is not at all just about age of sites/backlinks. There are other algo elements that can make it hard for new sites to appear, that have nothing to do with age per se.
My site has been listed in the top 3 for almost 5 years. In the last few days, the home page began to slip until <poof> I'm gone (again).
The site is listed in the yahoo Directory, but not in the web results. I have a link popularity of over 1850 in Yahoo (according to linkpopularity dot com) and over 355 pages slurped by Slurp.
I began sending inquiries to 'email@example.com' and 'firstname.lastname@example.org' to request a re-review and some feedback as to why I no longer appear, yet no reply, except the DID move my competition up higher, even though they violate my governement registered trademark, which I pointed out to Yahoo.
I've been out of it for a few months, so I was unaware of any changes in Yahoo after the previous April 1st 2005 update.
Is anyone else is seeing similar sandbox type penalties.
Is there any way to get out?
What got me in the box to begin with?
I checked their policies and I appear to be OK...
You will get as many opinions on sandboxing as there are webmasters. All I'm saying for now is that I see some minor evidence (that, as opposed to 'proof') that some new sites are either having a tougher time getting into the Y SERP's, or, they appear for a while and get dropped. I've just seen several example over the last week. And from friends, I'm aware of several sites that for whatever reason, just ain't seeing the light of day in a way reminiscent of G's sandboxing.
As for sandboxing being related to age of a site or backlinks, yes that seems to be a factor, but there are other factors that were implemented at the same time IMO, when G put it into effect. New sites at G seem to have a tougher time of it still, so age is a factor, but also, new sites can get past sandboxing, so other factors count too; factors that can mitigate the 'negativeness of being new'.
In the case of Y, my very early set of questions are along the lines of:
1) have they implemented some dampening factor for newer sites
2) have they made it harder for sites to show up in the SERP's if the sites appear to be 'extreme' in one of several ways (include both internal and external factors)?
FWIW. IMO this should be simply looked at as an evolution of Y's algo (not 'sandboxing'). Right now Y!'s algo is clearly evolving in some important ways. Been a while since I've seen a Yahoo! update thread [webmasterworld.com] be so active. ;-)
Not true. Sounds like might be a problem particular to the way you may be launching your sites, it's definitely not the usual experience. Take a look at any Google sandbox thread and you'll see people thanking there's a Yahoo to pick up their sites in the interim before breaking the G box.
Yahoo seems to take longer to first index your site, but will show it regularly within results faster than Google. Yahoo observes your meta tag keywords more than Google. Yahoo takes longer to accept new content to your web page.
Msn tries to bring you the best of both worlds and takes note of your keywords.
Here is the wisdom of someone who has been studying the search engines for a few years.
At the end of the day there are 2 things to be aware of. Firstly everyone using a search engine wants relevant results so the robots are programmed to question the validity of your site's content for a while until you have convinced them that you are not full of #*$!! Secondly, these big companies need to make money. So the probation period is a great time and opportunity for the search engines to encourage new sites to advertise with ppc listings.
If you can advertise or link with accepted sites your position and your acceptance within the search engine results can be accelerated. But whatever the current algorithiums, relevant content and varied descriptions albeit with a recurring key phrase are the answer for long term success.
The wisdom of my knowledge is 100% straight up and worth thousands of dollars. Take note of this reply and you won't go wrong!
Wishing you all the best!
But whats the deal with yahoo where they index several hundred pages of our site internationally but zap us from our national search results - don't see any positive sandbox strategy there. If the pages are relevant to 'the world' then they are certainly relevant to the geographical area they were designed for.
I've noticed that there are sites that yahoo "likes" and ones that it "dislikes". I don't know why, but I saw some new sites, with clean html pages and lots of inbound links, getting indexed very slow.
By some reason Yahoo does like my new site, and "eats" all my dynamic pages (which Google ignores btw!) as a hungry beast! I have no idea why.