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Must I resort to doorway pages?

Very frustrating...

         

SoleDrag

4:05 pm on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm soooo tired of my competition ruling Yahoo! with www.keyword-keyword-keyword.com

I'm a white hat site doing decent in Google and so so lousy in Yahoo! because of this doorway trash in front of me. I'm in tha Yahoo directory, but it doesn't seem to mean a thing.

I'd love to retaliate with a dorrway page of my own, but I'd be afraid of a Google ban.

Is this an age old problem, or is there any solution? I'm fairly new to SEO. Any help would be appreciated.

martinibuster

8:52 pm on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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People complain about the same thing over in the Google forums. Welcome to the club. ;)

>>>Is this an age old problem

Yep.

Amass those links, build build build. Let the search engines sort their garbage, that's their job.

RichTC

12:12 am on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Oh yes, drives me up the dam wall as well with Yahoo.

today one search term had no less than 16 results from the same site! out of the top 30, over half the index -area-co-name-co.uk, -area2-co-name.co.uk and then pointing to the same doorway was -area-co-name but another web address pointing to the same doorway! Between all combinations they had 16 out of 30 positions covered.

I have taken this up ith Yahoo four times now and they do nothing about it. Fair enough if it was one or even two entries, but after taking 50% of the index enough is enough, some webmasters clearly take the p@ss if you ask me.

artdog

2:40 am on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Gotta chime in here.

I don't use doorways on any of my sites and they do well on Y! so doorways are not nessesary. White hat will do just fine.

Have a site that's keyword-keyword-keyord.com and it contains no spam no tricks it's clean. Please don't place me in the same spam bucket because I didn't know any better when I set up the domain.

If you are not doing well on Y! then you are short on relevant content and proper links, with these you can beat anyone on Y!.

martinibuster

2:49 am on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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artdog is right. And I'll go further: A brief look through your past posts shows that you not only lost your index page from Google, but all of your ranks as well. And if that isn't bad enough you have search engine un-friendly dynamic pages.

Here's your post from three days ago where you state that you lost your Google rankings.
[webmasterworld.com...] #27

My index page is totally gone. Can be found nowhere in the (Google) SERPS.

It's disingenuous to blame the search engines while positioning yourself as the last innocent webmaster when the real issue here is your own website.

SoleDrag

4:14 pm on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ouch.

For the record, I'm back in the G SERPS and doing ok.

I didn't create my site, I'm not smart enough for that, hence the dynamic pages. I'm just trying to work with what I have.

Is it better to play by the rules with a dynamic site, or cheat with a doorway page or two? I'll take the high road, but complain all the way. ;-)

PatrickDeese

4:46 pm on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I didn't create my site, I'm not smart enough for that, hence the dynamic pages. I'm just trying to work with what I have.

Okay - you know that dynamic pages have difficulties getting indexed. You should know (by reading here) that there are a number of fixes for dynamic sites (mod rewrite) - you should be smart enough to get someone to implement it.

randle

2:27 am on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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When confronted with "door way pages" (which means different things to different people) investigate a bit. Take whatever the page file name is, and have a peek at the links pointing to it. Something is fueling the success of that page. Use the link command in Yahoo with that specific page. Always an interesting exercise and often what you find is legitimate sites pointing, a nice high quality text link, with the exact relevant anchor text, right at that page.

Might not apply, but food for thought.

RichTC

6:16 pm on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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randle,

Very good point.

I have just done a backlinks check today on a site that i reported to yahoo-mike (that he is yet to reply about about) that has over 50% of the SERPS in Yahoo covered on certain keywords all down to dodgy spam techniques as discussed above.

It turns out that this site in question has 150 backlinks in Yahoo to various directory pages that include every spin off sub-domain possible they have, ie area1-sub-subdomain-domain then area2-sub-subdomain-domain etc, etc.

Every directory is the same!, it looks like a webmaster has coppied 100+ directory sites and given them all different domain names (all are Google PR0)and then listed every possible address in each of them to create a false number of back links to secure top positions in Yahoo.

Amazing con trick dont you think!, Yahoo have a serious problem with this.

fiu88

7:32 pm on Jan 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have no doorway pages and rank well in Y, VERY VERY well on Dynamic product pages....
We have a competitor in G who have had a Doorway page in the TOP 5 for over a year!

We also have many-keyword pages...because -keyword is the product We sell! Why would we use www-oranges as a page title when we really sell www-apples?