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I will not pay a dime, because you also have to pay for PPC adds and there is not every category on the net where that pays off, not my category thats for sure, some sites need a lot of traffic to get any revenue.
Plenty of people have the old Ink problem they just don't want to be BS'ed anymore.
My solution has been to set up new websites just for Yahoo, and the old ones for Google. A .htaccess file keeps out the wrong search engine from either site.
Setting up websites just for Yahoo/Google is not what I wanted to do, it is what Yahgreed has forced me to do.
I paid about $300 to get certain domains and pages into Inktomi and I got burned, big time - just like everyone else.
On a side note...
Now, I find it interesting that the main keywords I watch on Yahoo show something unethical. Only Overture advertisers are in the top 10 of the organic results. I watch these serps carefully and know everybody. Recently, a new site/clinic I never heard of is #2. Just popped in out of nowhere. Is it a coincidence that his website is also one of the top paying Overture advertisers all of a sudden?
That's just 1 example of half a dozen other I have of the same thing going on.
It's not "scientific" evidence that Overture PPC placement influences the natural results, but I think a statistical case could be build against Yahoo.
Looks like zeus is the only one having this problem... Anyone else?
I launched a site in May and it got crawled very quick in Yahoo. Around 2k pages got crawled and indexed. Then I decided to get greedy and bought myself a paid directory listing for this site. No sooner, disaster struck my site. I started observing only robots.txt visits by Yahoo slurp and all those 2k pages slowly disappeared from the index. All this happened after I bought Yahoo directory listing for my site.
And yes, The home page can be found using the method the others mentioned above.
Numerous emails to Yahoo proved futile until recently when they replied for the first time (around 25 days back) and said that the site should get crawled in the next update. I noticed slurp crawling the higher level pages (around 25) regularly for 10 days, but they haven't showed up in the index yet. But now again the robots.txt phenomenon has started.
God knows whats happening with Yahoo these days.
So Guys the moral of the story is: If you want free lunch from Yahoo, never pay them a dime.
2 of them I paid for a indexing in inktomi(yahoo) and it is those 2 sites that are only represented with www.mydomain.com in yahoo search
zeus, are you saying that these sites are performing well, but only show the URI in the SERP's?...e.g., as opposed to your titles? Or that you can only find them using the URI as the search term?
Also, out of curiousity, when did you pay for the pages in question? Pre- or post- Yahoo ownership of INK?
And, are some/all of these pages ones that may have been penalized at some point?
One of the many problems in trying to sort out the logic of the Y SERP's, given their continued VERY spotty nature, is pinning down what is not indexed, versus what has been nicked by their crazy dup filters, versus what might be some old INK penalty or PFI problem. I find it easier to assess the nature of problems with G than with Y.
In our case virtually every page we ever PFI'd gets good results in the Y SERP's. That includes both old INK PFI's, recent INK PFI's, and Y! PFI's. We no longer pay for that service at all, and have suffered no ill effect.
It is still the case that Y! shows some but not all of our subpages, even when two subpages are equally important, with different content, and on the same site. But I think this is either a crawling issue or a badly constructed dup filter issue.
Its just this inktomi thing is the only real explanation for this situation, the other sites are having a good time with party and drinks,but the 2 other are lonely all there friends are gone, how can Yahoo do this.
Just a note, I've been in the Yahoo directory since 1998 and am listed as the 8th most popular site in my category (though you'd never know it from the latest results).
There is a person here in town who used to have hundreds of small affiliate sites that got booted and blames me. I have a feeling this somehow has been caused by that person, either deliberately duping content, or something else to cause the problem.
I would appreciate any help here.
[edited by: martinibuster at 4:11 pm (utc) on Jan. 12, 2005]
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I wonder if joining the site match program, using a URL of a site map or something would help get these pages indexed?
As a side note, isn't there a Y! associate that visits these forums once in a while? I've seen so many posts regarding this problem (and many heated) that I think a response should be given. I'm surprised they haven't done this already considering the possibilities exist for some mad-hatter to go to the press with this, or cry class-action lawsuit.. that could be disastrous for them. I know if I was in charge of risk management, I'd be all over this..