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How can I find out what the problem is?
Regards,
Jon
cbpayne - I'm not confused between the Yahoo Directory and regular Yahoo search results. I was quite clear in my email to them that I was inquiring about being indexed for inclusion in their regular search results.
You are confused - the Yahoo express inclusion for $299 is for the Directory and not the search index. You made it clear in your post that you were talking about the Yahoo express inclusion.
As I said in my previous statement, I promptly replied to Yahoo as I was not happy with their response. I understand that they are probably very busy and can misread emails and send incorrect responses...so I am patiently waiting for another response.
Please do not respond to this message with an urge to state, yet again, that "I am confused". I have repeatedly stated that I was relaying what Yahoo informed me.
I will post again to this thread when I hear back from Yahoo.
Then we tried with paying Overture Site Match for a single page to see what will happen. It is now indexed but always glued to the very bottom of search results even for searches that should directly match its contents. We believe we are penalized for some reason. I tried emailing Site Match support about this but they just keep ignoring the question and answer with showing us the indexed URL which we already know about.
Now, the latest idea we have and I want to share with you here is about the IP address. The thing is following. We rent a server and have two ranges of IP addresses. We found out that all domains that we have in one range are appearing in Yahoo results ok, and all from the other range seem to be penalized. Then we looked around that IP address range and found a lot of websites with pornography. The theory we have now, but still can not confirm is that the whole range of IP addresses is disconnected from Yahoo and we were unfortunate enough to be there. What do you think?
Again, I'm not certain if any of the other sites on same IP block have much to do with our site.. I just found it interesting. I'm sure someone with more seniority/experience will chime in with regard to your comment.
Here is a direct quote from the Yahoo Email:
Email quotes are simply not permitted anywhere on the board due to copyright issues. See TOS item 9. Since this email may be of interest to many members, I urge you to repost a paraphrased version of the email you received, NOT a direct quote.
So... paying to be listed in the Yahoo Directory CAN increase the likelihood of being listed in web search results.
The email also spent a large paragraph trying to get my interest in the Site Match program...and also discussing companies that participate in the (CAP) Content Acquisition Program.
It was quite a lengthy email - and more than half of it was spent informing me of all of their "pay" features.
[edited by: DaveAtIFG at 11:37 pm (utc) on June 10, 2004]
[edit reason] NO email quotes [/edit]
though i am not back in yahoo it feels so good at least to konw what is the problem.
I got off the phone with Yahoo, asked them about these sites and they said we were MANUALLY removed from the index for all keywords because we paid for the Inktomi inclusion, and that they set it so we only come up for a direct search for our domain name. The only way we would be allowed back in is if we pay for sitematch.
They told me this over the phone, now my client is talking class action lawsuit. I told him don't bother.
Man, what a rip-off, when we signed up for Inktomi, nobody know about sitematch, and our subscription hasn't even run out yet....ah well
Man, what a rip-off, when we signed up for Inktomi, nobody know about sitematch, and our subscription hasn't even run out yet....ah well
Whats the rip-off?
You are getting exactly what you paid for via Inktomi - distribuition on that network. Yahoo was NEVER part of the deal - NO ONE from Yahoo or Inktomi ever said or implied that it was. As a bonus Yahoo did "index" the sites in the Inktomi paid program for a while - they always made it clear that this was only in the short term and it was a 'bonus' to the Inktomi paid inclusion.
There have been many threads and comments on this going back to the start of the year.
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I got off the phone with Yahoo, asked them about these sites and they said we were MANUALLY removed from the index for all keywords because we paid for the Inktomi inclusion, and that they set it so we only come up for a direct search for our domain name. The only way we would be allowed back in is if we pay for sitematch.
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I'm not sure who at Yahoo would have told you this because this does not happen. whether or not you were in a previous Inktomi program or in Site Match is completely separate from whether your site will be crawled and included in the index. If your site is found to be in violation of the content guidelines, then using Site Match will not get you included in the search results.
I sent a email to the the spam report email at yahoo, asking if we are in violation of guidelines, the reply that the site I asked about was not in violation of guidelines from what he saw.
I'm telling you the Yahoo/sitematch people, in two different conversations today, said that the reason we aren't ranking anymore for specific keywords is because we did the Inktomi inclusion. They said when sitematch started people with inktomi inclusion were dropped from keyword listings, and that the two sites we were asking about were manually removed from coming up for keywords, and were set to only come up when you search for the url directly.
I couldn't beleive it myself when I heard it! I mean I was suspicious about the inktomi thing because thats what everyone here said, but they actually admitted it to me over the phone!
Anyways big bummer for us, maybe mike will be able tell me whats up.
I just tried to sticky mail you but your box was full - would it be possible for you to check my domain to see why it is not coming up in Yahoo...for the past 3 Years? Any help would be greatly appreciated as all the responses I'm getting from Yahoo seem like "canned" responses and don't directly address my question.
If possible, could you sticky email me so I could provide you with my URL?
Thank You!
Some facts - rather than rumours.
Fact 1. I have over 1K pages in Inktomi PFI
Fact 2. I have not switched any of them to SiteMatch.
Fact 3. All are still listed and rank appropriately in Yahoo despite INK PFI pages being dropped, as they were obviously crawled naturally.
Fact 4. I have allowed over 200 INK PFI page subscriptions to lapse so far since SiteMatch launched.
Fact 5. None of these pages has yet dropped out of any INK/Yahoo powered search.
Fact 6. No-one who I know (apart from people with specific sites that have penalties - rightly or wrongly) has had any pages dropped because they were in INK PFI.
Bottom-line - having pages in INK PFI is not a reason, by itself, for not having pages in Yahoo Search!
Even we are now listed in yahoo directory I never see yahoo crawler on our site.
But why would this affect out yahoo rankings of they are using an entirely different database now, and they are not connected? And how would the sitematch people even have access to the inktomi info, if they are supposedly not connected?
Yahoo bought Inktomi.....
so they have their database using their own technology...
Also the guys at the Yahoo spam report email know about this forum and the postings going on, they mentioned my postings specifically, and said we are not under penalty.
We used to get about 2000 users per day from yahoo and then all of sudden on Feb 2004 that number dropped to 20 users a day.
That is the time that Yahoo! dropped Google search results. Is it possible you are referring to the traffic that was coming from Yahoogle?
In February Yahoo! launched it's own search engine. So in Feb you could have seen changes in the Yahoo! Search results that affected your URLs.
Customers who used Inktomi's Search Submit program received extra distribution on Yahoo! through Mid April. This was not part of the original Search Submit Service. So if a URL had not been found by the Yahoo Crawler, when this Yahoo distribution period ended, your URL would no longer appear in Yahoo! NOTE that it is very likely that your URL was found by the Yahoo! crawler and *would* still appear in the results. See makemetop's post for an example of this.
Whether you are using the previous Inktomi service or the Site Match service has no effect on whether the crawler will find your site. And if the crawler finds your site you will be included in the Yahoo! results (barring any issues with editorial violations, etc).
I hope this provides some clarification.
YM
We have over 1000 back links from other sites but we never see yahoo crawler on our site.
How can we find if we have been banned from yahoo for any reason?
How can we request yahoo crawler to visit our site?
Have done that many times but it has no effect.
