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12:20 am on Apr 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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As the Questions & Answers for Yahoo threads were closed, I'm creating a new one where we can continue.

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hazardtomyself

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The question on my mind is, (and a hot topic of discussion) is Yahoo! willing to sacrifice SERP quality for the $$$. The loss of other sites in that same 49,000,000 contribute to a lesser quality of results.
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I wanted to reiterate that Yahoo! will *not* sacrifice quality of results in order to make more money. From what I've read on the boards since 4/15, more people are finding their Search Submit pages have remained in the Yahoo! SERPs (ie. their pages were crawled, besides being included via SS). There will no doubt be cases where the pages have not yet been crawled and therefore will drop out of the SERPs on Yahoo! (as we stated would happen on 4/15). A reminder that you can also use the free AddURL status for any pages that were longer appear on Yahoo and that it's likely our crawler will eventually find your pages.

helenp

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Does this mean there are diferent spiders for diferent purposes?
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Yes, we do have different spiders for different purposes. For example, there are different spiders that look for news stories, images and multimedia, etc. From time to time we also use some test crawlers. Your site may be visited by multiple crawlers. Yahooslurp is our main crawler for getting information into the organic results.

helenp

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Can i ask you take this opportunity to clarify what actually happens when a site is flagged as you call it! You say many factors can 'flag' a site up for review and i find it hard to imagine how this actually works. What actually is a flag? Where does it show? Who see's it?
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Please reserve this forum for questions related to the 4/15 update in Yahoo! search results. Questions like these should go in the "Questions for Yahoo" forum. I will post replies there given that the Answers from Yahoo forum has been closed.

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Mike, doesn't Yahoo follow links to find quality sites? Why does Yahoo require urls be submitted using the submit url form in order to receive a "free" listing?
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We don't require you to use the AddURL service. The goal of the crawler is to find all of the quality pages on the web, but there is no guarantee that all pages will be found. AddURL is simply a way to help direct the crawler to your site.

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When will the problem with redirects be fixed? Both you and Tim mentioned a month ago that it would be 2 - 4 weeks.
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I will try to get more info on this ASAP.

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Can i ask you take this opportunity to clarify what actually happens when a site is flagged as you call it! You say many factors can 'flag' a site up for review and i find it hard to imagine how this actually works. What actually is a flag? Where does it show? Who see's it
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A site might be more closely reviewed if there is something suspicious about it. For example, if it has a lot of incoming and outgoing links, we may examine the site more in order to determine if it's trying to spam or if the site makes good / valid use of the links. We have internal systems that can alert us to these situations, or a reviewer may notice these issues when they look at new sites.

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Is the webmasterworldfeedback address still a valid means of contacting Yahoo! about a site's indexing problems?
4:46 pm on Apr 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Question:
Any news on how to get in touch with the Y! Directory Team to correct wrong info being shown online?
I have started a thread on this:
[webmasterworld.com...]

Yahoo_Mike, the 'bizex-general@yahoo-inc.com' address is still 'rejecting' our email

9:41 pm on Apr 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Is the webmasterworldfeedback address still a valid means of contacting Yahoo! about a site's indexing problems?
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You can still use that address for questions regarding your site.

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Any news on how to get in touch with the Y! Directory Team to correct wrong info being shown online?

Yahoo_Mike, the 'bizex-general@yahoo-inc.com' address is still 'rejecting' our email
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I was told that it was now working. Let me find out.... :-¦

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How long before Yahoo gets the redirect problem resolved?
3:54 am on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Mike,

How would a site listed in two categories of the Yahoo directory not be found by the free crawler? I have a site that disappeared on the 18th, most likely the result of April 15th changes. It seems to be indexed (domain.com shows fresh date tags, and cached), but just not showing up in serps. A lot of this is confusing to me, so I am sorry if I am sounding repetetive. Just trying to understand ;)

Thanks
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>>> How long before Yahoo gets the redirect problem resolved?

I recently posted that we're still working on the problem. Unfortunately I don't have an estimate on when it will be completed. It is a high priority.

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crobb305

>> How would a site listed in two categories of the Yahoo directory not be found by the free crawler?

The content guidelines for the directory are not the same as for the SERPs. So a site which may be acceptable for the directory may be found in violation of the search content guidelines.

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The content guidelines for the directory are not the same as for the SERPs. So a site which may be acceptable for the directory may be found in violation of the search content guidelines.

does this mean the overiding factor for serps is not content but your guidelines? As you are saying there is a difference between the directory and serps because one requires ranking factors this suggests the only difference in editorial review is the amount of 'gaming' from that site. Without going down the subjective judgement route arent Yahoo now stating content is not the most important factor? I dont quite see how else the difference between the directory and serps can be explained. I thought directory sites were reviewed for suitability which means they were judged to have appropriate content so the only factor left for a ban from serps are the factors deemed used to rank.

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Yahoo_Mike/Tim,

In addition to the redirect problem that everybody's asking about, which I assume is a 301... there's another type of redirect that's been giving problems on all the engines, and now apparently on Yahoo too: the way the engines handle meta refresh redirects from click-counting pages on some directories, affiliate links, and banner ads. The url of a high PageRank incoming redirect link will replace the url of the target page....

Here are two recent posts about the problem on Yahoo:

Affiliate URL in SERPS
Affiliates querystring listed for my website
[webmasterworld.com...]

and msg#2 in this thread:
Wrong domain in Yahoo! SERPs?
[webmasterworld.com...]

Similar thing here, except my serp lists the domain as one of my incoming links. (a totally non-related site I don't own)

The big recent discussion on the problem is this thread, which applies to Yahoo too:

Meta Refresh leads to ...
... Replacement of the target URL!
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8:21 pm on Apr 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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yahoo.....
Please is there some way for us to auto-help-each other? Think thats the point of this forum, find help and help each other,....

I am speaking for me and supose the rest of sites not shown in search.

i.e, is there some way whe can see by ourself in the codes in yahoo.com (though yahoo.co.uk etc, don´t show that wide index), when passing mouse over our domain name if there is an penalty or not, or if not suposed to be an 301 problem?

and is there some way we can know by the behaviour of yahoo/slurp if site is penalized / under reviewing / accepted / not accepted?
waiting is just awful.....

Last question is though yahoo/slurp just only got my robots.txt after 5 days not seeing it....and that just killed me, suposed maybe meant under reviewing. Not knowing make fantasy go wild.

One just got paranoia with all this, and this is doing more harm to small companies without budget than big ones.....

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Well said :)
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Please is there some way for us to auto-help-each other?

and is there some way we can know by the behaviour of yahoo/slurp if site is penalized / under reviewing / accepted / not accepted?
>>>

This is certainly on of the issues we are looking at as we evaluate our process of how sites are reviewed for quality.

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>>>>This is certainly on of the issues we are looking at as we evaluate our process of how sites are reviewed for quality.

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I didn´t get that.... my poor english?
I meant not to answer yahoo innecesary questions, why apeal for penalty if issue is an 301 question? would be better even for you if people knew whats happening...........why apeal again if accepted?

actually don´t know stats of this site, but I am seeing many new users lately coming in here asking, and I am not able to help, nor anybody in these matters.

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Y Mike:

Good, thoughtful replies. Thank you.

Question:
Both Yahoo and Google give different results, often wildly different, on a search of "city state (spelled out, i.e. Virginia)" vs "city postal code (i.e., VA).

This isn't helpful to anyone--consumers, ad buyers, partners and Yahoo all are suffering from the confusion because both results are not the same.

G's problem with this is that it conflicts with their pure mathematical approach. Yahoo is not so constrained.

Addressing this would enhance Yahoo's service in local search as the industry could line up under your set of rules.

Thanks. Yahoo is just getting better and better.

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>>> by Yahoo_Mike
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I wanted to reiterate that Yahoo! will *not* sacrifice quality of results in order to make more money. From what I've read on the boards since 4/15, more people are finding their Search Submit pages have remained in the Yahoo! SERPs (ie. their pages were crawled, besides being included via SS). There will no doubt be cases where the pages have not yet been crawled and therefore will drop out of the SERPs on Yahoo! (as we stated would happen on 4/15). A reminder that you can also use the free AddURL status for any pages that were longer appear on Yahoo and that it's likely our crawler will eventually find your pages.
>>>

I must admit, my prediction of mass site removal based on my ongoing experience with Yahoo! Shopping ( [webmasterworld.com...] ) didn’t come true. Although to be more accurate, you should state that Yahoo! “Web Search” will not sacrifice quality, as Yahoo! Shopping continues with their removal of non-paying sites.

It is so blatant that when calling Yahoo! Store tech support just today, the message I heard while waiting said “Beginning on March 2nd, store accounts that have not opted into Yahoo! Product Submit will be removed from Yahoo Shopping. For more information on how to sign up… ”. The “free” crawler can’t seem to find most Yahoo! Stores (although they obviously know where they are).

It’s ironic that shopping portal competitors like Froogle and Bizrate use Yahoo! Store’s provided XML feed and produce accurate listings for their searches, but Yahoo purposely removes the accurate information, unless you pay. I can say with certainty that Yahoo! Shopping cares more about money than search quality.

Sorry to bring up Yahoo! Shopping again, but it undermines Yahoo’s credibility when there are different integrity standards used throughout the company. I’m a strong believer that company integrity has to be driven from the top, and when it is not, anything can happen.

Anyway, congratulations to Yahoo! Web Search for keeping their word (as far as I can tell), and I hope the rest of Yahoo! takes their lead.

Dave

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This was mentioned in thread: big problems with yahoo, >>>It seems that there is some type of 'memory' issue, where Y! defaults back to what it was in INK.<<<<<

My question is if there is any memory cached pages by Ink in yahoo index?

I think so, though I checked 2 backlinks of mine that are redirections to another company, clicking on them you go to that other companies homepage, and there are no links to my site.

But today I checked yahoos cached pages for these 2 redirections links to that other companies homepage, and these cached pages were of diferent design and with hidden links to several companies, as 1 to my site.

Doing a search for that other companies homepage in yahoo gives an cached page similar and with same design as their actual and in google as well.

As well 4 sub pages of that other company is indexed as backlinks of mine, seems to be dead pages.

This I reported to webmasterworldfeedback@yahoo.com,
When site reviews is being done these memory things should be cleaned up I supose..

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Yeah, I have a question for you:
My website is crawled daily by the slurp, but in the search results it shows the same way t used to look months ago. Why are you crawling if you are not going to update the cache?
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Hi Tim (or Mike)
Tim don´t accept sticky anymore,
so I´ll ask here.

Refering your sticky to me dated 19/4, I did answer it after doing what you told me.
slurp stopped again getting my robots 2/5 but started again on the 24/5.
What does this mean?
Did I hit an new ban?
Just wrote again to webmasterworldfeedback.
I done everything I posible can do, my site is clean and don´t have anything as duplicate or several domains.