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Would it not have made more sense to keep the PAID listings of those who bought this service FROM A Yahoo own company before April 15... and then posted: URLS from inkomi paid program AFTER April 15th will not be included in YAHOO due to our new paid program "site match".
Seems to me they have this whole thing backass backwords.
On behalf of the thousands of yahoo customers you just screwed....I would like to thank you for showing such great customer service.
Next time just send me a bill for the $140 dollars and tell me I am not going to get nothing for it. It least then I would know up front what I was buying.
Regards,
Dan
I've never submitted doodle to the new yahoo overture
deal and I'm still number one for my keyphrase
Now, were are the URLS of people that PAID YAHOO for "Inktomi" inclusion going to be found?
A. Bottom of Overture results were no one will find them.
B. Hotbot which no one uses anymore.
C. Altavista,Lycos,Alltheweb Oh.... more Yahoo results not Inktomi
D. MSN...Yea right!
E. Ask Jeeves Network: Not!
F. Look Smart: Who?
G No were, Yahoo and Google rule the internet world, and if you not in the top 5 for your keywords... better find something else to do.
H. ALL OF THE ABOVE.
Dan
Inktomi results are now useless because the company that owns them (YAHOO) have made them useless.
The people who paid for Inktomi inclusion for a YEAR have now lost any chance of making money from those listings, because its been eliminate by the very company providing the service.
Yahoo has not "Gifted" me nothing! I paid $140 for URLs to be listed in the Inktomi Network 3 months ago when that network reached at least SOMEONE on the internet, now the company that sold me service has cut the realvance of that service down to almost ZERO.
Do you think I would have paid money for a service if I knew it was going to be worthless 3 months later?
You do not think Yahoo knew the value of its Inktomi service was going to severely diminished... and yet managed to still sell this service like it was going to be the same service it had always been.
It was my understanding because Yahoo KNEW the value of their Inktomi service was going to be severely diminished...that they were going to include ALL urls submited thru that service until April 15th in the YAHOO results... and then all URLS submited AFTER April 15th would ONLY be included in the Inktomi network and not YAHOO. ( because of the new yahoo inclusion program)
This would have gave thier Inktomi customers at least a little value for their money.
This would have been the "right" thing to do.
Instead they just took money for a service that is all but dead.
Being included in yahoo for 3 months a "Gift"?. I think not.
Dan
If all the Inktomi URLS bought before April 15th were included in the Yahoo results up until their renewal date and then were renewed...they would just go into the Inkomi network and be dropped from Yahoo.
This would have been fair to everyone.
To even pretend Inktomi customers that have paid to have their URLs included in that network are now getting any value for what they paid for...is just pure fantasy.
Dan
Being included in yahoo for 3 months a "Gift"?. I think not
If you assumed Yahoo was going to use Inktomi in the Yahoo results, that is your fault. Sorry. All of the talk prior to the change was speculation. Yahoo NEVER said they were going to use Inktomi exclusively. There was speculation here at Webmasterworld for the longest time that Yahoo may use Alltheweb index, then speculation that they may use Altavistas index, then speculation that there would be some combination of all the algorithms. It was all speculation. It is too bad you wasted all that money ASSUMING your urls would get Yahoo distribution. Be thankful you still get the actual PFI distribution you really paid for until the expiration date. I am still getting traffic from my PFI through MSN and the other portals that have always used Inktomi. I am happy I got the free traffic from Yahoo after they dropped Google, because they didn't have to do that.
Would it not have made more sense to keep the PAID listings of those who bought this service FROM A Yahoo own company before April 15... and then posted: URLS from inkomi paid program AFTER April 15th will not be included in YAHOO due to our new paid program "site match".
No, it doesn't make sense. It's 100% convenient for you, but the logic is flawed. Here's why:
Inktomi feeds MSN. That is why you signed up for Inktomi. Inktomi still feeds MSN, and it's still as useful today as the day you signed up. So quit moaning about Ink being useless, because Ink still provides the exact same value as before: MSN.
Nobody promised that you would get into Yahoo. You received a two month freebie, say thank you and move on with your life.
My advice is to relax. If your website has any redeeming values it'll make it into the free index.
[edited by: martinibuster at 11:37 pm (utc) on April 17, 2004]
If your website has any redeeming values it'll make it into the free index.
Well put.
I did NOT "assume" my URLS would be included in Yahoo.
I did "assume" that the Inktomi network which I had paid to be included in....would not have been rendered virtual useless 3 month later by the same company that was providing the service I paid for.
I did "assume" Afterwards... that the company recognized that it was not going to be able to provide its customers with the services they paid for, so they would make this up by providing inclusion into Yahoo(not for just a 3 month test period)
How in the world I thought a customer orientated company like Yahoo would provide product satisfaction to its customers.
Crazy me!
Dan
You got what you paid for from Inktomi - distribution in the network that they supply. As several here have said, Yahoo was NEVER part of that deal. Its a bonus to get Yahoo for the last few months. You will now continue to get from Inktomi what you paid for.
You were not ripped off - what led you to beleive that paying for the Inktomi conclusion would get you into Yahoo? Inktomi never said that. Yahoo never said that (except for the 3 month bonus) - this was widely discussed in this and other forums, so no one here or at others said that...
Step out of this fantasy lasnd you are living in. I paid Ink for a year in February and am getting exactly what I paid for. You don't appear to know what Inktomi is.
Bottom line, you paid to be in MSN. You continue to be in MSN.
Take the time to find out what you are buying next time.
Remember there are other routes into MSN without Inktomi. Quite a few people just wanted to be in Yahoo
I see company's point.
I have clients who paid to be in BOTH Inktomi and FAST, and have been in those two indexes for several years.
Here are several issues to ponder:
1. Where is the migration path for a client who has been spending $5K per year plus to Inktomi & FAST? The clients have paid to be in every Yahoo! fed property except Yahoo! itself - yet Yahoo! expects full payment again - which covers Yahoo! and MSN, FAST, AV etc. Where is an 'incremental' sitematch product for those who have already paid to be in 2 of the PFI programs, to just get into Yahoo? There isn't one.
2. The ability to change URLs in Ink & FAST was suspended back in January 2004 - ie whatever URLS were current as of Mid Jan are now locked. For the past few years, you were able to substitute URLS - eg. due to the seasonal nature of the business - but are no longer able to. This alone effectively makes many submitted URLS worthless - and happened without warning or notice.
3. There is no longer any click history data in the client interface system. All data pre Jan 2004 got trashed when Positiontech changed its system to accomodate Sitematch in January.
This also means we have no way of knowing how effective Yahoo was - we can't compare April 2004 Ink clicks to April 2003 etc.
Again - no warning or notice of this change - and history of our PFI programe performance was something that was paid for. No opportunity to run reports & save offfline.
How can we now do 13 month rolling reports? Year on year monthly analysis?
Yahoo! have copied both the ethics and the process of the failed Look$mart PPP (Pay. Pay again. Pay some more) system. I hope 'Sitematch PPP' works for them much better than it works for existing Yahoo! customers via Ink & FAST.
Beware of any company which changes the terms and conditions of your contracted service without warning or notice.....
