Forum Moderators: open

Message Too Old, No Replies

Yahoo! only returns homepage in SERPS

         

Patrick Taylor

10:16 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I launched a new site at the start of February and submitted it to Yahoo!'s free crawler early March, having previously submitted just the homepage to Inktomi PFI. During March, most of the site's 60 or so pages went into Yahoo!'s index, suggesting the free crawler is doing its work.

However, I've noticed that only the homepage ever shows up in Yahoo! SERPS, even though a whole bunch of the site's pages ought to show on some of the keyword combinations which bring up the homepage. I haven't had one hit from Yahoo! on any other page.

Has anyone else experienced this? And is this expected to change on April 15th (when, I understand, Yahoo! drops its previous Inktomi results)?

phantombookman

11:28 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I am in the same situation, Yahoo just does not seem to crawl sites and add pages as Google does.
4 sites all the same.
e.g. After 1 year on Google one site 250+ pages
same time on Yahoo 4 pages!

Shame really because I like Yahoo but they will never compete with Google until they start spidering and including more content (certainly in my field anyway)

Regards
Rod

mikeD

11:36 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Yeah it doesn't update much compared to Google and I find it near impossible to get new content in.

[edited by: mikeD at 11:37 am (utc) on April 9, 2004]

StudioGuy

11:37 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Same thing here Patrick!

I launched my site at the end of January, and submitted to the Inktomi PFI at Positiontech shortly after with 2 of my pages (one of them being the homepage).

I submitted my site to the Yahoo free add url around March 15th and got spidered quite quickly, but to this day I'm not ranking for anything else than the main keyword of those pages I orginially submitted to the Inktomi PFI.

If I do a site:www.mysite.com search I have the same results. Only the 2 pages I originally submitted to Inktomi show up.

However, if i search for www.mysite.com/mypages.html I get hits on every single page in my site, and a funny thing:

When i search this way for my home page, www.mysite.com/homepage.html I get an old cached page, while a search for "my main keyphrase" shows a recent cached homepage.

It has been this way for almost a month now

mfishy

12:05 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



<<It has been this way for almost a month now>>

INK has been doing this for YEARS with many sites. Methinks it's more a matter of them CHOOSING not to index the whole site then utter incompetence but who knows.

dhatz

12:07 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Well in my experience Slurp is seeking content VERY actively

See my feedback in
[webmasterworld.com ]

I'm onitoring dozens of different sites, ranging from small (3-10 pages) to big ones (1000s of pages) both non-commercial and commerical ones.

Last few days Slurp is equally active as Googlebot, if not more.

Still, with a few notable exceptions, most sites rank poorly in Yahoo...

mfishy

12:33 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



dhatz, there is a difference between crawling an indexing pages and an even bigger difference between crawling and SCORING pages.

Patrick Taylor

12:46 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



there is a difference between crawling an indexing pages and an even bigger difference between crawling and SCORING pages.

Yes, that's the point of it... where pages ARE in the Yahoo! index from the free crawl but only the homepage ever shows up in SERPS - which just happens to be the one that was previously PFI-ed.

StudioGuy

12:58 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Exactly Patrick. I'm crossing my fingers to see what happens when Yahoo drops the Inktomi results on April 15th.

A site:www.mysite.com search should bring up ALL the pages indexed right?

Cause as I explained earlier in the thread only the 2 Inktomi PFI pages show up, although each and every other page show up for an individual page search.

That should prove that they are in the index...somewhere....right?

Patrick Taylor

1:34 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Yes, most of my 60 or so pages are in the Yahoo! index, and can only be there having been found by the free crawler since early March. I'm assuming (and hoping) that something will kick over on the 15th April, so that more of the pages show in Yahoo!'s SERPS, which, if other search engines are anything to go by, they should. Currently, it looks as if - sure - they're indexed, but that's about it. My suspicion is that the homepage is only riding on its PFI at present, so on 15th April, that will disappear, or it will stay and other pages will start to show up too.

helenp

1:49 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month



Well, my theory is that the index is or google or altavistas scooter.
Lets cross our fingers that on the 15th, they change their serps to show what altavistas scooter has been spidered.......itīs seems a lot more eficient.
That would be an improvement.

Actually at this point, I donīt care about ranking in Yahoo, what scares me is the persons that choosed our company to represent them (unique not affiliate) when doing a search for their property canīt find it in yahoo. Actually they do a lot of searchings like that.
Not finding it, how can they keep on trusting me.......
Actually Yahoo is sort of an "public" company, an authority site, with a lot of resposability againts the civils.
The same as a famous person is......an famous just canīt act as anybody, they have an resposability just because of being famous.
So itīs not the only fact of not having clicks from yahoo, is NOT being represented there.
When people do search the web, they think itīs from the whole web..... not only a list of websites.
For example in google, if I search for an site with penalty, only write the company name without the .com etc, they show up first, i.e, they are banned bot not excluded.....

phantombookman

2:44 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



when I use site:www.mysite.com on yahoo it shows the pages I have indexed on Google?

Easy_Coder

2:47 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Patrick_Taylor

I pushed out a total overhaul to a site around the sametime you launched your site and I'm seeing yahoo crawl the home page in addition to the content pages (sometimes daily but always weekly) and it appears that they haven't had an update to the index because I can only find my pre-existing pages in yahoo; which are now all removed from the server. Here's to hoping for an update to the index SOOOOOON.

kevinpate

1:39 am on Apr 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I almost wish the thread title was true for us.

We've not had any noticeable trouble with slurp finding and including multiple pages from the site.

However, for reasons unknown, once again the index page from our not-for-profit info site has been made to disappear by Yahooey The Magnificent and his lovely assistant Slurpella.

Hopefully the index will return later in the act.

allanp73

4:20 pm on Apr 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



StudioGuy,

I have noticed the same thing where sites are only findable when doing a domain.com search. The interesting thing is the same search shows sites linking to the new sites as well.

Pretty every month I launch several new sites. I noticed sites that I launched in December are now searchable. However sites from January are still only searchable by domain. Yahoo seems to take four months before it makes a site searchable. This is incredibly slow even compared to old Google standards. If Yahoo wants to compete it will have to get the today's standards fast.

Patrick Taylor

3:22 am on Apr 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



It's now 16th April and nothing has changed since my first posting. On the site in question, only the homepage ever shows up in Yahoo! SERPS despite nearly 30 pages being in their index.

Well... at least the previously Ink-PFI-ed homepage is still in SERPS post 15th April.

cabos

12:14 pm on Apr 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



HelenP,

You are correct:

"When people do search the web, they think itīs from the whole web..... not only a list of websites."

I too dont care so much anymore about how Im ranking in Yahoo. The primary damage caused by not having a site show up when someone does a search on the name is that your company loses business credibility.

I believe that Yahoo has a certain standard of duty that they must meet.