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A second site that I do joint marketing with has never done well on Google, had great results in Yahoo.... and tonight it was dropped completely.
My guess is Yahoo is penalizing sites that have what they consider to be too many cross links.
This is amazing to me given that both sites complement each other.
Yahoo owns various interests on the net. Does this mean that becauase they interlink these interests that they are doing something unethical?
Should Yahoo have been penalized because they bought Ink. Overture Fast etc.
I could be wrong though it appears like if you have tuned your site for Google, you are in jeapordy of getting kicked off Yahoo.
I am of the opinion that this is still early days and that it is quite likely that we will all find our way back in over the coming weeks.
On Thursday, March 18, 2004, at xx:xx PM, ****xxxxx.com wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> My site xxxxxxx.com vanished from your search results in the last
> few days. I have no idea why. I haven't made any real changes to the
> site. The only thing that's listed is "xxxxxxx.com" which is just a
> domain bought to redirect to the real site "xxxxxxx.com" in case a user mistypes
> our domain.
> Can you please help?
[edited by: 2_much at 6:37 pm (utc) on Mar. 26, 2004]
[edit reason] deleted email [/edit]
I have a .com site hosted in the UK and all my pages are in Yahoo.com. Yahoo slurp took about 1/3 of my pages last week. However none of my pages show in Yahoo.com SERPS. Previously I used to get some traffic from Yahoo but now it is absolutely zero.
I got one hit from Yahoo China, and I can duplicate the search. But if I search for my domain only two pages show, neither of which is the page found by the search.
One page is Pay to Index with Inktomi, and that page (but only that page) shows in yahoo UK. It shows in SERPS.
Curently almost all my traffic is coming from Google, and I don't like having all my eggs in one basket.
There may be two different isues going on but most of us are experiencing a filter / algo penalty and not a manual review penalty. Way to many sites are getting hit for it to be manual.
I also think it seems to be a crosslinking penalty. I lost SEVERAL number 1 positions for several different sites. The listings didnt drop, they dissapeared. (though show on a seach for the domain). They are non-spammy sites but they did crosslink to some degree(though I would not say massive crosslinking).
I hope they get this sorted out or give us some kind of explanation. For now, I am not changing anything.
I do think itīs just bad luck that is you and not other, links that are bad done to your site that wrongly is red as an 301.
Has anyone else found that their homepage has now returned?
I can only assume I have a penalty. But my site is non-commercial, not involved in link exchanges, not linked to 'bad' areas, nor over SEO'd. The only thing unusual about the site is it contains pages in three language encodings, but this gives Google no problems.
The only thing I can think of is that I have seperate entries in Yahoo for domain.com, www.domain.com, and www.domain.com/index.php. Could this trigger a duplicate content filter?
One of the sites of mine that was filtered, has ZERO outgoing "link partners." But is linked to by several other sites.
Also, for me, Yahoo penalized the entire sites and not just the index pages. If only your index page is missing or dropped a few spots, I don't think you have been hit by the filter. I think a couple of you are confusing bad rankings as a penalty.
I believe the filter is Penalizing ENTIRE sites. The site is still in the index when searching for the domain, but for any other search cannot be found.
I've talked to six people in the past 3 days who wrote to the Yahoo spam address, within the past 2 weeks. All received form messages stating it would take 60-90 days to review plus longer to be re-included.
The messages also stated there was nothing that could be done for 90% of cases because it was an automated algo.
The thing I thought interesting was Tim at first said 2 weeks, then Yahoo Mike said 60 days. Its now up to 90 days and longer. My conclusion is sometime between 6 months and the Seventh of Never. Damn, I paid for two PFI programs that were swallowed by Yahoo and I can't get the time of day from them.
One of my major pages droped today from Yahoo. It was #1 and #4 for my main keywords. It is now gone.
Interestingly, my another page which ranks #4 to 5 is still there in the same spot.
More, If I search the same keywords using Nescape 7.1 instead of my default IE 6.0, then I see the old ranking as before.
It might be pulling the results from cache or proxy somewhere.
So, I cleaned up my cache from Netscape just now (writing this post, well, I am still number one in there. But not with IE 6.0... Weird.
Yahoo might be updating its results.
I believe it is not human editorial thing because I have never been in Yahoo directory, Inktomi, or anything. I even don't have affiliate links except adsense.
The site doesn't interlinking.
It has a few inbound links only. No outbound links at all.
I am seeing pages drop in and out constantly.
>no intention of answering or giving us a clue <
Give em a beak, they have an engine to run. :) You can ask questions here [webmasterworld.com].
I have a new site that had about 60 skeleton-like pages at the beginning of the year and all were crawled by inktomi regularly and now are crawled by Yahoo. If I search for any text in these pages, I find them in the serps.
However, I added about 500 pages this year and when I check Yahoo by putting in the url in the search box for any of these pages, I find them to be there. But, when I check for the text on these pages, they don't show up.
Either it has to be a very peculiar penalty or more likely a bug. (I should also mention that I don't have any of their stated reasons for getting penalty.)
I paid around the time of the transition (like the last few days positiontech took new listings) for 2 urls on one domain). I was focusing on msn actually. As soon as the site went into msn, I lost the 600 free listings I had for that domain on yahoo. OUCH!
I hadn't even thought about that.
I called positiontech and they said I could delete the 2 listings on their control panel. (I had read on this forum somewhere that someone had done that with sitematch and got his free listings back into yahoo). Now it is 3 weeks later and my 2 listings are STILL in both msn and yahoo and none of my free listings have returned into yahoo. Obviously that delete control panel does nothing at positiontech since it did not delete them from the database.
Does anyone have any ideas/advice on this?
I wrote once to email@example.com, and then once to firstname.lastname@example.org when yahoo told to do so. Tim said in public I am in, although I canīt see it yet.
So hopefully itīs the same with you, although you donīt know.
My only communications have been with the email addresses provided by Tim.
So far my home page shows up in the Yahoo results, though only for one specific search term (the name of the directory it is in on Yahoo).
It's confusing since, searching for site specific term doesn't bring up the page only a url that I registered to protect the brand, that has one link to my site.
Seems like they have included home pages of some sites that are in their paid directories. Perhaps Yahoo will spider these sites and more pages than just the home page will get in.
So all us little guys who have done nothing that could possibly warrant lifetime bans have to sit and watch this summary judgement on clean sites while spam and cheating sites fills many serps.]
Soapystar- I have looked at your site and I have to disagree with your assessment. Your site does not look like unique travel content. Please send this to the mods on this forum or other members and have them assess your site.
We are updating our content guidelines at the moment to be clearer about sites such as yours. It seems like you have not read the existing content guidelines. I cannot see many of these either on the positive or negative side that you are not violating in some way.
You may think that the playing field is uneven but people who have good quality, unique content are having their penalties lifted.
[edited by: Tim at 5:55 pm (utc) on April 3, 2004]
i do not need to hand my site to a mod for review. Luckily i know my own subject and can tell what is and isnt real content. I am proud of my site and do not need anyone else to tell me what thehy think about it. Until now i only had to take notice of my cutomers which is how it should be. Then came a lifetime subjective ban and i found i had to justify my site to people with already predjudiced views. I never stood a chance. I know you are wrong and thats good enough for me.
[edited by: soapystar at 5:11 pm (utc) on April 3, 2004]
What about orbitz and expedia - they are just large travel affiliates? This is coming from a site that pretended to have their own search engine for years but were jsut a big google clone...oh, and all those rss feeds too...
I haven't really had many problems with Yahoo, but if you want to single out affiliate or adsense sites, that probably is not the best battle to take on. May want to work on FIRST creating a competetive search.