Forum Moderators: open
I have never seen this before. I don't want to post the search term because I think that is a violation of the local TOS. Has anyone else seen this... btw, this is for yahoo.com NOT yahoo.au or some country level domain.
On other searches I'm seeing the usual clustered Google results.
Looks like side-by-side dualing page tests.
Mabye the differences are because Yahoo! is doing more extensive filtering or something?
Jordan
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 10:14 pm (utc) on Aug. 24, 2003]
I spent 30 minutes trying Yahoo searches and no sign of Inktomi :(
Roll on the day it is true.....but it doesn't appear to be just yet!
I spent 30 minutes trying Yahoo searches and no sign of Inktomi
I don't think it is worth anybody's time trying to make this happen. Also, to repeat, what I saw was definitely not Inktomi... Maybe it was just a different Google center that was momentarily out of sync with the others, albeit it was out of sync in a big way.
Or maybe it was a new Inktomi center that was out of sync with Inktomi in a big way.... ;)
Me either, and nothing like Google either. It slips in and out momentarily.
>>Maybe it was just a different Google center that was momentarily out of sync with the others, albeit it was out of sync in a big way.
That's how I'm figuring it, though one is awful close to what was there a few months back, and what's at #1 has never been there at Google.
Maybe this was the first time they did live testing.
-panic
Jordan
MonkeySage is very sagascious! When Y! does move on from Google dont count on seeing what we knew as "pure ink". Thats why im not worried about optimizing for Ink right now because we dont really know what Y!-ink is really going to be.
The descriptions pulled actually are Yahoo Directory descritions for most of the results.
Yahoo has been doing this with its Google results... substituting the Yahoo title and description (where they exist) for the Google title and snippets or description... but they are still Google results.
Chances are they'll do this with Inktomi (or Ink/Fast/AV hybrid) results too, when they show them.
So for instance, in musical chairs as in search results and relevancy, what ever the keyword lines up with 'at the time' is why some rankings are higher than others. Kind of a first come first serve basis, then taking into measure how Google relates to other sites linkings and their own algorythems.
Google offers relevence through user's use, and Inktomi offers certain quickness and rankings through its taxonomy.
Meta tags, keywords and paid inclusion are what governs alot of how the spiders have processed your sites links and pages. Its basically a buffett for the spiders to eat, use and diggest through how we (the internet community as a whole) search for our keywords.
Imagine this buffett being brought to you by waiters, and those waiters specialize in thier own features. Some features are easiest done closer to home(inktomi/network caching), and some are repeatedly used by everyone (google).
DOes this help?
now, before you are too quick to come to conclusions, if any can be made from what I gleaned, remember that we are talking about a mega search term... it is unlikely that you will find some lame little site that somehow just popped to the top without being listed in the top 20 somewhere else.... but I found 8 like that.... granted they werent little sites, but they didnt show up in the top 20 in the other 3... however, I imagine that they are somewhere in the other 3... a site that is ranking that high in Y! is going to be somewhere in G and Ink... but here is the top 20 (where I=Ink, G=Google, D=Y! dir, and?=?) I also will put a * next to those that had cached pages (not all did) b/c they most likely came from G even though they may have been in the top 20 somewhere else
(IGD)*
(I)
(I)
(G)*
(I)
(?)
(IG)*
(?)*
(?)
(?)
(IG)*
(D)
(?)
(?)
(D)
(I)*
(?)
(D)*
(D)
(?)
... so basically there are 7 that I dont know where they came from at the moment.... if they were G, then I would assume they would have a cached page with them. So maybe they are buried, maybe from somewhere totally different
As far as I can tell Y! has a lower weighting on backlink anchor text than Google (basically same algo, but with one/two components tweaked). So sites with a lot of keyword backlink anchor text will perform better in Google than Y!.
To add to the confusion Inktomi also places a fairly high weighting on backlink anchor text, somewhere in between Google and Y!. This often makes the Inktomi and Google results look similar for sites with strong backlink anchor text, but those sites are positioned lower at Y!.
I will be very surprised if Y! ends up using a combination of different raw SE results. I think it is most likely we will see straight Inktomi results with Overture sponsors as seen at Yahoo.ca
thats what I would think too.... which makes me think I shouldn't think that:) Every Ink major partner has always tweaked the results, just to be different than everybody, if nothing else. but I cant imagine they would 'blend' results.
>I believe all you are seeing is the Yahoo "filter" effect that Y! has been using for several months.
well, you might be right because I don't pay attention to searches like 'cars', but the SERPs I follow are still showing G... but when I see the filter in play in my SERPs, I still recognize the majority of pages... for example, the number 6 site moved to 1, 1 moved to 4, but 2,3,5,7 are same, then 13, then 8,9,10,11 are the same, etc.... this didnt look like that to me... much bigger variation here... #3 in Y! default was #65 in G.... but maybe because we, again, are talking about a 'mega' one word term, so that might make sense. But here is another thing.... #2 in Y! default was #4 in Ink... it was listed in both as 'www.XXXX.com'.... but in Google, it was listed at #9 BUT it was listed as 'www.XXXX.com/home' which can mean the same thing to the surfer, but not to me... that result was coming from Ink, IMHO.
anyway, all I can say is that this was my read. Pure Ink would just be fine with me
Me too....so come on Yahoo....get the heck on with it and stop mucking around with these futile tests!
