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PPC keywords

To bid or not to bid, that is my question.....

         

Ash

8:54 am on Jun 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I am approaching my first ppc campaign and would like a bit of feedback if you would all be so kind. I have started thinking that the easy way to do this would be to search on popular keywords and then outbid 1 of the top 3 but from my limited experience it seems that the price of a lot of these 'popular' keywords are inflated by people doing just that. They aren't actually worth the price-per-click. So I'm thinking that maybe it would be a better idea to find keywords that are cheaper, come at it from a different angle so-to-speak. For instance some of the keywords I think would work are .5 per click.Is this whole ppc thing about who can throw enough money at the engines or is there a place for a bit of lateral thinking?. Bad idea? Firm grasp of the wrong end of the stick?

deejay

11:48 am on Jun 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi Ash

Great question. I'm probably not far from a first ppc venture too, so have been wondering same.

I get exactly what you're saying about the bidding wars on top positions, and I think it's a major trap for new players - particularly if you don't know what your conversion rate is (and in a lot of categories I'll bet half those paying for top placements don't know).

It stuns me when I see a spread over the top three listings of, for example, 57 c, 42 c, 34 c.... and then the ten or so below are paying in the region of 5-12 cents apiece. I wonder whether that No 1 position is really worth 4 or 5 times what the No 4 is paying.

My cynical side says it probably isn't - particularly when you look closer and start to read the actual Page titles and descriptions. There are an awful lot of people out there paying for position and then thinking they don't need to do any more than that... titles and descriptions that are less than helpful or down right unattractive, or worse, misleading.

One advantage I have in my position is to stand over the shoulder of a number of users and watch how they actually work and think. Very very few people actually just click on the No 1 result automatically. Experienced users scan quickly over the page and look for the title and description most likely to benefit them, even if it is ranked 15. Novice users sit for a second and absorb the page and because they are hesitant to click on anything, will also read and look for relevant info to let them feel confident about clicking (they are more likely to stick to the top ten or first page though).

On that basis I'd probably go something like:

1 Decide where the break is on the first page between those playing the 'one-up' game and the rest... ie, the 12 cent mark in the example above.

2 Decide if that level is within reason given my conversion rate and is gonna make me money.

3 If it is, bid at that level or a level below that which will land me in the top ten.

4 Make sure I can cap the process somehow - a maximum spend per month.

5 Make sure my site title and description are spot on. Attractive enough to get people in; clear enough that they're coming in for the right reasons.

6 Review. If it isn't drawing either the hits or the sales, before I increase the bid and try to climb the ladder I'll look long and hard at whether they keywords chosen are actually appropriate.

Those .05 clicks you were looking at might be just the thing, but you should probably search on those words and see what sort of results you pull up before getting carried away too.... one thing I've learnt is that if I call something a widget, everyone else probably calls it a doodad, and vice versa.

Just a few thoughts :)

Ash

3:38 pm on Jun 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Thanks for the feedback Deejay. What you had to say about how users seem to put titles and description above actual rankings in order of importance was very interesting.

ShaneM

10:03 pm on Jun 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



You guys should check out [paypermaster.com...]
this is a great tool for finding out your bid cap based on your conversion ratio and the amount of profit you are willing to loose to the click. It even has a section to help you figure your CR if you dont know it. Just have some rough stats for your site ready. Oh and you must know your profit margin on the items you are selling. Not all of your bid caps will be the same on all your keywords.