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Overture minimum bid

Do you see any chance of it going down?

         

javahava

12:49 am on Jan 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I currently spend 6x on Adwords than I do on Overture, largely due to overture's expensive (for me) 10 cent minimum bid. if they reduced the minimum to 5 cents (like adwords), i'd greatly increase my monthly budget on overture. do any of you have predictions as to what might happen? do you think adwords will raise their minimum to 10 cents as well? or overture to go back down? things to stay the same? why?

the only rationale i can figure out is that overture has much less inventory space for a large number of advertisers, and so can charge a higher rate; i just wonder why more advertisers aren't leaving overture in favor of google (the quality of traffic seems about the same). anyone have a sense that overture is thriving or going down?

TomWaits

1:09 am on Jan 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think the likelihood of AdWords going to 10 cents is much greater than Overture going down to 5 cents. AdWords' next step will be to go to 10 cents, and Overture's next step will be to remove the remaining 5 cent grandfathered bids. IMHO.

There's no reason for either of them to buckle, they're like Coke and Pepsi.

javahava

4:50 am on Jan 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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more specifically, my thinking was this:

if i was in a PPC engine's shoes, the $.10 minimum bid doesn't really make sense because it seems there's a big chunk of the PPC market where the ROI only holds for an advertiser if CPC is around $.05 or less (e.g., small/startup businesses, cheap products, affiliate advertising, etc.); bumping up to $.10 would scare off a lot of spending, erase that revenue, and leave a lot of search term inventory unsold. i wonder if overture has experienced this as a result of their $.10 hike, and had a lot of advertisers going to adwords.

i understand that there's a certain threshold for the SE where publishing an ad no longer covers its costs, but i can't imagine it's very high (e.g., more than a penny or two per click).

as you can tell, i'd be spend more with overture (and i think there would be many others as well) if they went back down to $.05 minimum; i just wonder why the chances seems so remote.

eWhisper

11:15 am on Jan 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Since OV just upped it's minimum spend/month, I think the chance of them going down is next to nothing. If anything, by the end of the year we could be looking at minumim $50 spends. If the average CPC increases the same amount this year as it did last year, we could see an increase in minimum bid to 0.15 in 9-12 months - but it won't happen until G raises it's min to 0.10 - OV can't afford that much disparity between the two.

johnnydequino

4:33 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Minimum bid for google surely will be .10, probably in the next six months. I don't see overture raising the minimun to .15 anytime soon.

Grandaddies may last until 2005.

Don't forget, MSN will be the last major player to split and start their own PPC. It would not surprise me if MSN did minimun .01 bids for the first month to get all google/overture customers in less than a week. Don't mess with MSN, and in this case, will help the advertisers!

cline

1:32 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Adwords and Overture have radically different overheads. Overture has to pay editors to look at every proposed ad/target-term; Adwords doesn't. That's why Overture needs a higher CPC -- to pay the editors.

It would lower Adwords' revenue to increase minimum bid. There are lots of things that can be successfully marketed to large numbers of users at $0.05 but cannot be at $0.10.

When Overture UK raised their minimum to 10p -- no grandfathering, I had to shut down a client's program there. On most of my client's terms, there's now no one advertising.

This bid raising stuff is very foolish for the PPC companies. Adwords would make more money by *lowering* their minimum bid.

The same would be true for Overture, except for their overhead problem. Overture should simply charge a small fee for each new term added to a program -- to cover their editorial expenses.

redzone

2:37 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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johnnydequino,

Who said anything about MSN launching their own PPC engine?

They can't even get their Organic search going?
MS is caught in the Corporate "Glut" trap. They spend months having meetings to discuss planning future meetings, and never seem to make much progress.

They turned a blind eye to search, because they didn't think the returns justified the costs at that time.. They should have bought Inktomi or FAST, and Overture..

ryan26

5:33 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Interesting discussion. It's going to be very interesting to see what each side does once this really turns into a Google & Adwords vs. Yahoo & Overture tag match later in the year. It's going to be interesting to read comparisons of conversion and such once EVERYTHING is in place. I think that'll end up being a strong factor in any move on either side.

johnnydequino

10:13 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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MSN is launching a new operating system called 'Longhorn' in 2005. MSN plans to feature internet search, and their new algo, in this bundle.

Netscape once thought the same of MSN, slow, big, corporate. Where are they now?

MSN is going to turn search, and the PPC industry, upside down in 2005. I bet you google will even sell out to google. MSN IS THAT SCARY.

jd