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Competiter Attack

How do you deal with it?

         

ogletree

4:41 pm on Aug 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just noticed that some person bid $0.01 below me and then every day for a week went to each overture partner and clicked on about 5 of my ads. There is a different IP every day but the IP are very similar. We have had these keywords for some time and they do not get the traffic they are getting now historically. There is too much of a pattern to be a coincidence. I contacted overture and they are doing there thing. Is there any other step I can take? I have IP's. I checked out the IP's they all come from the same ISP. They are in some pool. If overture comes back and says that all the weird clicks started a few minutes after the bid was made can I go after the guy that owns that site?

jeremy goodrich

10:11 pm on Aug 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My advice would be let Overture handle it - in general, they are very good at protecting advertisers.

Let us know the outcome of their handling of the issue - customer service by the various large players can sometimes be a critical factor in chosing where to spend one's advertising budget online.

ogletree

2:53 pm on Aug 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just noticed that they did it again today. It seems to happen at the same time every day. I wonder if this person has a script.

capi03

3:37 pm on Aug 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My advice would be let Overture handle it - in general, they are very good at protecting advertisers.

hmmmmm........

ogletree

2:31 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It is still happening. Every day between 10:00 AM and 10:30 AM this person click on 3 of my terms. He goes to yahoo then overture and then hotbot and click on each word at each place. Up until today it has been from a specific class A address but today it is a different one. I think the person must be at home today. It looks more like a DSL class C address. I called overture again. has anybody had overture do anything about this?

capi03

3:11 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ogletree,

I wish you luck. It's been my experience that getting Overture to admit to anything is almost impossible. Our company was spending $60,000 to $70,000 per year in advertising and now we're spending zero with them. It seems the people we have dealt with have been trained to represent the companies interest and wouldn't believe us when we told them that something was seriously wrong with our campaigns. We had 3 keyword issues over 2 or 3 months that wreaked of invalid click-throughs, but we were told they were valid. I can understand once maybe, but 3 times I don't think so. Good Luck!

Nick_W

3:17 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ok, the games up. It was me....

Nick

webdiversity

10:23 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Our company was spending $60,000 to $70,000 per year in advertising and now we're spending zero with them.

So where do you spend the money instead?

Every PPC will have competitors doing things in an attempt to sabotage your campaigns. Factor it into your ROI calculations, it will happen in every sector to every advertiser, without exception.

I've said it before and I'll say it again now, if they have nothing better to do with their time than that and you have nothing better to do than to catch them, then you both need to look at your business models.

You'll spend far more money on out of position clicks, poorly written ads, usability, not deep linking, than any amount of amount of money your competitor could spend on your behalf.

If advertisers blame Overture for this, would you blame Ping for manufacturing golf clubs if someone took a driver and smashed it through your window? Overture are merely facilitating an introduction between your site and a searcher and in the majority of cases they do a good job of it in my opinion.

capi03

1:44 am on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We're spending our dollars with Google, who in my opinion has a better business model in place with built in safe guards.

Our problem with Overture was simple we had keywords that for days and months generated $20 to $30 charges at best on any given day, then all of a sudden would deplete our account balance of $1300 in 4 to 7 hours. When we talked with them about it they always (all 3 times) had an excuse for it and would stand by it. I recommended that they implement a daily limit so these types of charges wouldn't occur.

I realize that no system is full proof, but this is way on the excessive side. This is a big problem not a small one.

I come from a customer service background and I believe that you need to listen to your customers to be successful. It's my opinion that my conversations with Overture were constantly one sided and it always benefited them. To me this is a poor business model approach, and is a great way to run a short term business, but not a long term one.

WebStart

7:01 am on Aug 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I gave up on Overture as far as their being responsive to my complaints about excessive/questionable clicks about a year ago. They did not then respond in a helpful way. Since then i have reduced my advertising with them to 10% of what it was a year ago and moved the rest to Google AdWords. They at least answer your questions, and I seem to have fewer questionable clicks with Google.

ogletree

3:41 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well I want to report Overture gave me my money back. Around $600.

I took out the email quote.

[edited by: ogletree at 4:57 pm (utc) on Aug. 27, 2003]

lazerzubb

3:54 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ogletree please read the TERMS AND SERVICES [webmasterworld.com] of this website again.
(#9 Email excerpts of ANY type or length are not allowed on WebmasterWorld. There are no exceptions to this rule.)

surfer_girl

4:48 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Oogletree- Why not move aside for awhile...but just a while, or on the other hand teach bad guy a lesson...

In surfing (real kind) waiting in the line up and taking a wave when it is your turn is the way it works. Someone new shows up and some beaches have a friendly surfing crowd and some don't but everyone knows there is a line up and you take turns.

On the other hand, if this guy is just really asking for it, you can start bidding on bad guy's business name and really freak him out... In other words, whenever anyone tries to find (or return to) bad guy's business by search inquirey your ad ends up on top of theirs. Be sure to have appropriate wording pointing out the superiority your services... And of course you may never be able to turn your back once you turn this mean although remember you can claim you hired a new pro to handle things and you didn't do it.

I personally agree with some of the other comments that if you take all that frustration and anger and use the energy to find new ways to excell it works for you and not against you and the bad guy will just be hurting himself by fueling you up.