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10:47 pm on Feb 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The idea behind Overture's contextual advertising product is to take the vast amount of information it has about a page's contents in order to match up an ad with that content. As an example, Meisel said a sports page on a portal could contain a number of targeted links from an Overture advertiser.
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I don't quite understand. Does this mean that Overture intends to paste links on Other People's Pages?!?
11:22 pm on Feb 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<meta name="OVERSmartTagsPreventParsing" content="TRUE"> ;)
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I know - something like Alexa - but with a twist.

From now on, you will search at one of their properties, and then you will, instead of being delivered to the site whose link you (presumably) clicked on, you'll be taken to a page about that site instead.

This way, they (OAF) will be able to show targeted advertising every time somebody wishes to visit your site, or searches with keywords relating to your site.

Users, when they click the 1st link, will be presented with a selection of advertisements (OAF links) which will NOT be marked as ads, but rather as 'Informational Links Related To This WebSite'.

And then, at the bottom, in very small print, will be a link, "to actually view this site, please click here..."

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hehe OAF...... has a certain ring to it
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As an example, Meisel said a sports page on a portal could contain a number of targeted links from an Overture advertiser

Overture is lagging behind Google in this department. Google is already showing AdWords advertisement at Google Groups based on the content.

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Overture has them on ESPN now.

Epinions as well, from Overture (see bottom of page...)

Those are targeted placements that - in many cases - dont' require a user to 'search' before being displayed...so, Overture is 'on the ball' when it comes to this.

Though personally, I believe the effectiveness of these placements aren't as great as when a user actually is searching for stuff. :)

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Google is already showing AdWords advertisement at Google Groups based on the content.

AdWords are also now showing on some blogspot.com sites. (They may have been before, too, but I never was on a blogger or blogspot site until today. I know, blogger newbie.)

I listened to the FAST conference call. I actually wasn't alarmed at what I heard. I think they've got some good ideas. Whether they've already been done doesn't necessarily mean they won't work for OAF too.

Boy I hope OAF becomes part of the lexicon.

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Overture also announced Tuesday that it will offer new features, such as local search and contextual advertising, which it had been researching for several months

from news.com [news.com.com]
So the above stuff would be contextual advertising. But, local search? Wonder what that would mean. Until they have a search solution ready, how can they offer local search?

[edited by: heini at 8:50 am (utc) on Feb. 26, 2003]

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Hi TomWaits..

Blogspot has had their own ads for a while.. looked a lot like google but actually their own ads. Are the new ads you seeing Adowrds or something else?

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They were AdWords. I know because they were our AdWords.
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Sharp eyes, TomWaits. You'll get free clicks on content-targeted ads for a couple more weeks, so see what you think..
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> From now on, you will search at one of their properties, and then you will, instead of being delivered to the site whose link you (presumably) clicked on, you'll be taken to a page about that site instead.

Are you saying that MSN or other search engines with Overture ads will not provide pay-per-click links to websites but will show links to Overture Ad-pages - with more ads on them, using your content to create the ad-pages?

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I smell a Gator...
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Apparently Overture have been testing with Gator and they are quite pleased with the results. Looks like Overture ROI is going to take another dip.
From what I heard they are thinking of using Gator popunders on other SE's pages (including Google...)
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Agreeing with jeremy_goodrich, the value in contextual advertising seems to go against the very point of search engine optimization and marketing -- users are actively looking for your product/information. Apart from appearance, what's the difference from banner ads?
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Apparently Overture have been testing with Gator

Anyone have any better information (proving or disproving)?

My Overture rep had no information on this. Frankly, if they are using Gator I'm gone. ROI or not -- I don't want to be affiliated with that whatsoever.

(Edit)

Ok, I actually ran a search for it and found a ton of info on this. Looks liek the information is real, news.com and a handful of blogs (some quoting Overture Rep Emails) all commenting on it.

Looks like I'm finally closing my overture account.

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Lots of good enough on [gasp! another forum]http://www.ihelpyouservices.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7613

There is a brief response from Overture with the usual nonsense like:

Please note, all authorized distribution of Gator Corporation software products are "permission-based," and require an active consumer action before the software is downloaded and installed.

Yeah right, they got me fooled...

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Contextual links, based on my limited research provide a very much lower clickthrough. However in the case of Google Adwords, the conversion once they get to the site is much better than the average PPC listing. It is as if people see that contextual ads are ADS, and they expect to be sold something when they get there.

As indignant as I and most webmasters are about Gator, Kazaa, and all the various iterations of scumware, the real question to ask is "Is it effective?" Does it provide good ROI for the advertisers? I personally HATE the concept, but have clients and prospects asking does it work, where do we signup? Can't we just test it? I've been able to talk them out of it, but the posture of "because its stealing traffic from your competitors" just doesn't make sense to most of them.

As far as Overture testing with Gator, this is no surprise.

This may work out for OV. OF course it will require tons of testing dollars coming from US. Don't count on this being an optional service.

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>>the real question to ask is "Is it effective?"

Indeed it is. And it's safe to say that a high proportion of people who see Gator ads never requested the download, don't know it's there and don't know where the ads are coming from or how to stop them. This cannot fail to affect ROI and also lessens the effect of these types of ads in general

I don't want visitors of this type. I thought we were paying Overture for ultra-targeting?

Whatever way you look at it, as a consumer, webmaster, advertiser, whatever this is not good for us or Overture.

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it's safe to say that a high proportion of people who see Gator ads never requested the download, don't know it's there and don't know where the ads are coming from or how to stop them.

Exactly. The industry where most of my ad spent is in is a 'service' industry. 'Integrity' is very important, and to be affiliated with pop-up, pop-under, pop-anything ads doesn't help, nevermind the stigma of Gator and it's ilk.

I was even hesitant to participate in the trial period for AdWords because I'm not a large fan of banner ads in this industry as the ROI is usually very very low. (I use Privoxy to block most of them anyway).

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Excerpt from the Optimizer.co.uk newsletter, March 17th:

Contrary to the current rumours circulating about Overture's physical placement of CTAs, I believe that this week's talks with Gator are the closest thing to the truth. This is a real shame. Gator is the biggest Scumware company around...

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Gator SearchScout. Gator are the ones doing the testing.
 

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