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overture click fraud

overture click fraud - myth or fact

         

mosley700

2:43 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'd like to get some feedback from other users of Overture.
We've been hearing a lot about click fraud on Overture.
Reputedly, the sources of this are:
1.Overture Stockholders doing what they can to help their stock (it is doing nicely)
2.Overture Search Partners (you need 1,000,000 searches per month to become a partner, many partners are paid on commission.)
3.Your competitors.
4.Internet marketing folks.(see [webmaster-forum.net...] )

I'm seriously interested in hearing what other overture users have to say about this.

Bobby_Davro

5:25 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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1. I think that people have better things to do than click on listings to boost stock prices. The effect of this would be so negligible as to be a complete waste of time.

2. I cannot see that Overture partners are going to bother with click-fraud; it is just too stupid to risk. Affiliates who did this would run the risk of Overture closing their accounts and refusing to pay any money owed. On a million searches per month minimum, that's no small amount of cash. I run a PPC affiliate site and wouldn't dream of jeopardising the relationship.

3. This seems the most likely source to me, especially for high value clicks. It is not unheard of for competitors to try to bully people out of the top listings by using up their accounts really quickly. However, there are supposed to be some measures in place to stop this and you may be able to reclaim most of the money. BUT, I don't suppose Overture are in any great hurry to refund clicks, nor to detect too much fraud.

4. These will only account for a very small proportion of clicks, and this isn't actually fraudulent, since they are clicking on the links to see who is paying. It is, of course, not what you intended the listing for though.

tedster

5:28 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Overture is quite vigilant about click fraud - they MUST be, or their entire offering would fail. They have secret detection methods at the level of routers, pattern detection and such that we can hardly dream of.

I just wrapped up a 6 month campaign for one client and did a final analyisis. It was common for Overture to automatically detect fraudulant clicks that we hadn't even suspected.

Is it perfect? No -- what is, after all. But their fraud detection is strong enough that you can get a good ROI from a campaign, and that's what matters.

mosley700

10:10 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I know that my competition has been clicking on my listings, cuz their IP shows up. I just don't know whether I'm being charged for it or not...

webdiversity

1:34 am on Dec 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Strictly according to the definitions that isn't really click fraud.

There is no automation in your competitor clicking on your link, and I am always amazed how knuckleheads like that have the time to do that sort of thing.

More to the point if you can trace them through their IP address how dumb are they? The onus isn't on Overture or whoever the PPC is to not charge you if your competitor is playing silly games, they don't know the politics of it all.

I know competitors click on links, sometimes it's because they want to see your linking strategy, you should be flattered that they have the inclination to adopt these tactics. They won't be your competitors long if they sit all day clicking your ads, instead of following up on sales enquiries and the like.

You have to build into your numbers a factor for "duds" and competitors go in the "duds" in my book.

Chronos

5:38 pm on Dec 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've had two site on Overture for the last 8 months and have only had one interaction with Overture due to click fraud. In a highly competitive listing I put a high max bid up to scare off the competitors. When I did my tracking the following day I found that one of my competitors bid me up to my max bid ($5.00 a click) and I had a huge number of clicks on that key phrase, It was up like 400% over the previous week. Compairing my web tracking against Overtures charges I found half the number of hits off that key phrase as Overture charged me for. They expalined that it was because of cached hits don't make the request to our server so it doesn't show on our reports. I argued that a large number of cached hits on a keyphrase that that has a big jump in traffic (it has never again recieved that many hits) could mean one person clicking on the listing just to spend my budget. They claimed that didn't happen and offered no proof when I pressured them for how they came to their answer. It just didn't happen. I've since lowered my PPC and concentraited more on free submission search engines and now have more traffic then ever.

sudden

7:19 pm on Dec 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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We handle quite a few accounts at Overture, Google Ad Words and Espotting and we had "bad clicks" with all of them every now and then.

While both Google Ad Words and Espotting have failed completely to filter (m)any "bad clicks" (you sometimes get the impression they donīt have any filters at all), Overture did quite well. You can of course never be sure when it comes down to a handfull of clicks - and I really donīt see how you should filter those - but so far Overture seems to have quite powerfull and satisfactory filters.

I donīt have that much sympathy for Overture in general. But in this area, they are the head of the herd, in my opinion.

john316

8:17 pm on Dec 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've seen fishy clicks from OV partners...when bonzi delivers more traffic than yahoo! (easier to see on low volume terms)...I just call it the OV tax.

The advertiser should have the option of turning off partners.

makemetop

8:42 pm on Dec 15, 2002 (gmt 0)



Oh, there are people out there who run scripts to run up click charges. I get them usually at weekends.

Show up in my logs as multiple hits from different PPC vehicles and affiliates within a few minutes from the same dial-up IP. A little while later, a different IP and another run through all the PPC engines usually with referrers like www3.overture.com/d/sr then www5.overture.com/d/sr etc., etc.

I reported this to Overture years ago.

Anyone want an exact sample of the logs I'm saving them. Who knows I may sue the b*st*ds that are doing this one day when I've got nothing better to do.

You know who you are ;)