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Ross

11:57 am on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Did anyone who attended the PubCon see a Google rep drinking BEER?. If so I wish that somebody could have asked them why adwords ads are not allowed for companies selling BEER.

They've just disallowed a bunch of ads because the client sells wines and BEER. Wines is fine but BEER is on the forbidden list !.

Can you believe that you can advertise every filthy adult term known to man....but BEER...oh no...where's the rationale?

Mike_Mackin

12:18 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I didn't see anyone from Google take a drink.

heini

12:30 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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They don't do adwords for any alcoholic beverages other than wine. No tobacco products either AFAIK.

veritysystems

12:30 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Just went to dictionary.com and yes beer is a swear word!

Chris_R

12:44 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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That seems a little odd. They can do what they want, but I would suggest that the difference between wine and beer is a little on the discriminatory side.

I am assuming the facts stated are correct - that google does allow wine and not beer. I could understand not allowing ads for alcohol. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I could understand it. Alcohol does have a negative health impact and their are issues with underage drinking, drunk driving, and alcoholism.

It just seems to me that it is a little bit of class discrimination as their is a lower class beer drinking connotation versus an upper class wine drinking connotation.

Look at the way it is presented in the media. Frasier and his snooty brother drink wine and stuff I can't pronounce, while his ex cop father loves a good beer.

I am sure the people at google had good intentions, but it doesn't really make sense to me.

Marcia

12:49 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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There are different social implications between wine and beer. Beer is recreational, wine has a broader usage and different social conventions.

And theoretically, what people *from* a company do wouldn't necessarily have anything to do with ad policies anyway.

Ross

1:21 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>Just went to dictionary.com and yes beer is a swear word!<<
So is f**k but you can bid on that !

99% of UK wine merchants also sell beer but because my client happens to mention beer on his web page he's not allowed to advertise....bizarre !

rogerd

1:28 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>They don't do adwords for any alcoholic beverages other than wine<<

Hmmm, must be the yuppie influence... Sounds classist, to me... :)

heini

1:42 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I would have thought Google would apply different rules for different countries.
But obviously they can't do that, because the targeting of adwords works via language setting.
Since language does not equal country/legalities they could never be sure to be safe.

msgraph

1:52 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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So I guess advertising a good fine $1 wine in a cardboard box is ok. ;)

Ross

1:59 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Heini - Are you saying that it's illegal to sell beer online in certain countries, but that wine can be sold online in all countries?. I didn't know that but it would make some sense of a very strange Google ruling.

heini

2:09 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ross, frankly I have no idea how the laws on advertising for beer and wine etc are in different countries.
What I do know is there are different laws, just like with tobacco advertizing.
For Mega sport events like formula one those regulations are a deciding factor on where events take place.

But since Google does not target adwords to specific countries but to languages, they have a problem here.

Chris_R

2:22 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't think it is up to google to screen out ads for different countries laws. Google is in the US. This is like the nazi yahoo case if we are talking about advertising.

As far as I know - there are no laws regarding the online advertising of alcohol that are different for beer and wine. I could be wrong.

Marcia

2:25 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Are there beer commercials run on TV in the US?

Chris_R

2:29 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Tons of beer comeercials on TV. Ever seen the Bud Weis Er frogs?

FOr a while - HARD LIQUOR was not advertised, but this was an industry imposed regulation -- not a law.

ADDED THIS:

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the ftc seems to claim power to regulate ads that have large target audiences of children - so that you can't advertise alcohol in shows that would have large audiences of young people. So no advertising ANY TYPE OF ALCOHOL during barney, but ER would be ok.

I don't know of any distinction under US law. There could be one, but not that I know of.

NFFC

2:50 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>Google is in the US

And Canada, UK, Japan, Germany, France, Italy.

Mike_Mackin

3:07 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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heini

7:24 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>I don't think it is up to google to screen out ads for different countries laws. Google is in the US.

Interesting question, Chris. I would be very surprised if Google would not be subject to the same regulations as all global advertizers.
They do specially targeted advertizing, on sites running on local domains in local languages...
In some cases the adwords even get sold in the respective language from local offices in local currency.

Anybody with any insight in online advertisement and local laws?

Chris_R

8:03 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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NFFC is right, of course, that they are in different countries.

So are you saying that because these ads are viewable in Saudi Arabia - that ads about porn would be outlawed?

Companies are only subject to the laws where they have a presence. Even though yahoo had a presence in france - they got a court to throw out a verdict for them advertising nazi trinkets.

[wired.com...]

There is clear case law on the side of companies - they don't have to follow laws in other countries (although you could make an argument the would for france, italy, and the other countries where they have offices).

Google could restrict ads on the .uk, .jp, ... and so forth or restrict them by country - as you already have the ability to.

I'd like to know what country FORBIDS beer, but allws everything else. I am not saying there isn't one - I am just curious. I think I read somewhere poland does.

shelleycat

1:20 am on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm rather confused by the beer/wine discrimination.

From a biological point of view I know wine (particularly red wine) has specific health benefits when drunk regularly in small amounts. However there has been increasing research showing that beer also has similar (and some different) health benefits also. So while it can be argued that small amounts of wine are actively good for you, the same thing can be argued for beer. Also, beer has a lower alcohol content, so from that point of view they should discriminate against wine rather than beer.

Which brings it back to the class thing, ie drinking wine is considered somehow more socially acceptable and is therefore OK. But since when did something as smart as Google fall for such crass (and invalid) social stereotypes? There must be some other reason.

Brett_Tabke

6:28 am on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Google was seen and not seen, then seen again in China. Along the way, we read reports that Google was working with Chinese authorities to get their service visible in China again.

Who knows what agreements Google had to make with other countries too.

Macguru

6:39 am on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I see an add with the word beer in it, from Canada, when I type certain keywords. It's a "beer machine".

So thats what you get with prohibition, everyone is shopping for his own still. ;)

veritysystems

7:33 am on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Well I still buy my beer from the liquor store rather than the net!

Ross

8:22 am on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>Well I still buy my beer from the liquor store rather than the net!<<

Yes so do I but how do I convince a client to change his web site, removing all trace of the word BEER just so that he can advertise on Google?

Brett_Tabke

4:19 am on Oct 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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