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Article Here [english.peopledaily.com.cn]
(LOL, don't you just love the wording - "skirmishes in the registration")
also [url=www.InternetNamesWW.com]Melbourne IT[/url], a good 'ol Aussie company, claim to be the first registrar of Chinese Character Domains.
Read the article but don't understand how that would work. Explain please.
From the article: "For example, the Legend group can register as www.ÁªÏë.com (ÁªÏë means Legend)."
How on earth would one enter that from a normal keyboard? Does this mean that non-Chinese users would be completely dependant on directories and search engines, where one could simply click links?
(There is a petition before our parliament right now, where an MP wants the Swedish letters å ä and ö into Internet url:s. But how could anyone with a non-Swedish keyboard ever use them?)
On a [url=www.nikkeibp.asiabiztech.com/wcs/leaf?CID=onair/asabt/news/113700]related note[/url], JPNIC in Japan is starting registration of .jp names (both English and Japanese) Jan. 22, 2001.
you would need the fonts installed and the Chinese Typing software installed.
>>www.ÁªÏë.com (ÁªÏë means Legend)
this looks stupid to us but would translate into the correct Chinese Characters if the fonts are installed. So yes it would pretty much isolte the site to Chinese Readers. Even if there were English pages I don't know how anyone would type the URL.
Of course the same would apply to extended characters in any language such as the Scandinavian languages, French, German, etc.
I guess it maybe a good thing for culturally or ethnically focused sites but it would alienate these sites from the rest of the world. But then who are we to complain?? About 1/4 of the worlds population cannot read our pages in this one country alone.
As to typing Chinese, a quick description, there are various systems around. Not sure about Japanese or Korean, but with chinese you type the PinYin (Romanisations) using regular letters and then choose the correct character from a list. Quite simple really.
PinYin would not translate directly into the correct Chinese character then? There would be a choice depending on context, pronounciation, inflection etc??? With the average surfer likely to be Chinese within the next 10 years, getting to understand this seems a worthwhile way to spend the off hours.
Slightly off-topic: I think I will get started on the big book "The realm of characters". Bought it a year ago. It is the story of the evolution of Chinese characters from the early carvings on bronzes 8.000(?) years ago and up to modern times. Believe it or not, but it is actually written by my old school teacher right here in Stockholm and apparantely so remarkable and one-of-a-kind that the Chinese governement commissioned a translation from Swedish into Chinese last year. The book has adorned my coffee table for a while, but this is it... Time to get started.
>>There would be a choice depending on context, pronounciation, inflection etc???
Correct. For example, the word "Zi" means either Four or Death depending on the pronunciation. The Chinese are just as superstitious as we are which is why Four is the Chinese equivalent of Thirteen in English culture.
And you are right in that Non-Romanised domains will play a big part in the evolvement of the Internet in years to come. But... >>I think I will get started on the big book
Just so you know what you are in for, you need to be able to recognise at least 2,000 charaqcters just to read the newspaper!
And the latest on Chinese Domains:-
Network Solutions looks to register China's small businesses [technology.scmp.com]
Chinese Domain Name Registration Ranks 11th in the World [english.peopledaily.com.cn]
[oops, typed 20,000 character instead of 2,000. Thanks Bill]
Edited by: Woz
Beijing lodges complaint over domain names
The United States Government has no right to authorise any firm to manage domain names that contain Chinese characters because 97 per cent of Chinese-language users live in mainland China and Taiwan, a Beijing official said.
Hu Qiheng, director of the China Internet Network Information Centre (CNNIC)'s working committee, said Beijing had lodged a complaint with the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) over the registration of Chinese domain names.
Organisations that wanted to promote Chinese domain name services in mainland China should first get the approval of Beijing, Mr Hu told China News Service on Thursday.
Chinese domain names had special cultural and historical meanings and were very different from the complete ASCII (English) domain names, he said, adding that China should participate in establishing international standards for Chinese domain names.
"Personally, I think we have all the reasons to succeed [in the dispute]," said Mr Hu, who is also vice-chairman of China's Science and Technology Association.
Mr Hu's criticism is latest salvo in an ongoing row between Beijing and Network Solutions Inc over NSI's promotion of its Chinese domain name registration service.
Earlier, CNNIC, China's top Internet regulatory body, accused NSI of encroaching on China's sovereignty. The Chinese Domain Name Consortium (CDNC), which was jointly established by Internet information centres in mainland China, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau, backed CNNIC's view, saying that the NSI's promotion of the service was "misleading".
NSI, the world's largest domain name registration firm, had planned to start the Chinese domain name registration service at the end of last month but delayed the launch. It has not announced a new date for the launch, according to reports in Chinese official media.
On Wednesday, the CNNIC issued its proposed regulations on solving Chinese domain name disputes and authorised the China International Economic and Trade Arbitration Committee (CIETAC) to handle related disputes.
On the same day, it announced that it would upgrade its Chinese domain name registration system on November 7.
Users may apply for Chinese domain names ending with .cn and Chinese characters meaning China, company and Net through nine authorised registration agencies, including Jitong Communications and a Hong Kong firm dealing with Chinese domain name registration.
All the 80,000 Chinese domain names already registered would be transferred automatically to the new system, which was highly compatible with the English domain name system, CNNIC said. Users would be able to use Chinese domain names to visit the related Web sites.
Another report in Beijing Economic Daily said a specialist group jointly formed by Chinese Academy of Sciences, the State Bureau of Technology Standard and the Ministry of Information Industry would work to establish a technical standard for Chinese domain name registration.
The Ministry of Information Industry is also busy drafting regulations to protect Chinese domain names and will be published soon.
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Article here [computeruser.com]
US-based Network Solution Inc. (NSI) has started experimental registration of Japanese, Chinese, and Korean domain names. Currently InterQ and PSI Japan can handle registrations of the NSI-managed domains in Japan. NSI has made it clear that so far the registrations are indeed a test, and that they can't be resolved by DNS servers yet. That step comes at the beginning of next year. (Source: [url=www.nikkeibp.asiabiztech.com/wcs/leaf?CID=onair/asabt/moren/116757]Nikkei[/url], Nov 10, 2000)
There certainly seems to be a lot of interest in the Native Language domains. Has anyone out there registered one yet adn if so has it been successful??
Edited by: Woz
From what I can see of their front page they have quite a few on offer including some interesting ones. 139.net for example, 139 is one of the prefixes for Mobile Telephones (Cell Phones for those across the pond..) in China. Good for a mobile Phone reseller perhaps...
I find it interesting that the Chinese Government is suddenly Nationalistic in saying that it has the sole rights to register anything in the Chinese language, when they have been happily registering .cn domains in English for some time. Surely this is the sole right of England!?!?!
Even so, I hope the dispute is resolved quickly to avoid duplication of domains and general confusion.
<quote> There was even talk in the press of blocking access in China to addresses using VeriSign's system, as Beijing does now for Web sites of some foreign media and critics of communist rule. </quote>
<quote> The Chinese government's system threatens to use the same domain names as one of VeriSign's partners, a Singapore-based start-up called i-DNS.net. That means users in different geographical locations who type in the exact same address might be led to different Web sites. </quote>
This article brings up quite a few points. Well worth the read.
Also, it seems you have to install specific software to handle the names. I suspect this may be just Chinese Character input software but the details are unclear.