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Guaranteed Google Listings

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8:15 am on Jun 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Whilst renewing domains today I was shown an SEO services offer with all the normal submission to 400+ engines, resubmission, keyword research etc. etc. etc. but with one strange new entry Guaranteed Google Listings.

It also guarantees that your site will stay listed for a year.
How is this possible? Surely no company but Google can make such a guarantee? Are they able to un-ban domains?

Spill the beans, whoever knows! The services are offered by a largeish UK domain name registration company...

9:17 pm on June 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>> ... or I'll do it for you ... with no guarantee :)

I'll top that. I'll guarantee that the sun will continue to rise every day while I'm under contract with you. I take about the same risk with that one as I would with "guaranteed Google listing."

11:22 pm on June 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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one of the easiest ways is just to look at their resume sites and watch out that nothing is fishy, like all th resume domain sites belong to themself.
7:13 am on June 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I know of a company whose directors are ODP editors and got myriads of their websites listed in good categories there. The networks link wisely and several of their websites as far as I am aware of are listed at No. 1 spot on Google for competitive two-keywords phrases in my field and many others with vast and good exposures.

If that SEO company has huge chunks of websites by hundreds that Google put big *TRUST* like the above company, I don't see why it can't guarantee Google listing to its custormers. They can simply use, lets say, 12 links from their 12 trusted sites, and that may be sufficient to have their client's or destined site get decent ranking in Google.

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> It also guarantees that your site will stay listed for a year.
> How is this possible?

By being confident of your skills to get and keep sites listed regardless of the algo whims and standing behind your work.

> Surely no company but Google
> can make such a guarantee?

Sure they can make the guarantee. If they back it up with a MONEY back guarantee - then more power to them. If they can't back up their service, then they have no business being in the business.

There are numerous proseo's that have gotten clients listed and kept them listed good for years.

I got into SEO by building a network of independent dealer sites for a major manufactuer in 97. Many of those same dealer pages are still as they were and ranked well in Google for kw's. I haven't touched those sites in several YEARS.

If you can't perform - then maybe this isn't the career path to follow.

Of course you need to stand behind your work, and the best way to do that is in writing with a guarantee.

This isn't rocket science. You follow simple rules-of-engagement with the engines and they leave you alone. For the last 5 years, that has meant doing bare bones seo on a site and then nailing links hard. That's it - and it has been easy to produce that and stand behind that.

(you guys that want the side topic talk about dmoz and directories - start a fresh thread)

> You cannot guarantee that
> which you have no control over.

Control of the serp is what SEO is all about.

SEO: the care and feeding of search engine results pages....it's what we do.

However, in this case, it doesn't sound a like a pro-seo making the claim. A registration company? Sure sounds like another ppc claimer to me...

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By being confident of your skills to get and keep sites listed regardless of the algo whims and standing behind your work

I would be happy to provide a money back guarantee that I could keep a site listed in the G index for a year but as we all know being listed and being ranked are two different things.

Perhaps VinceVinceVince could clarify what the guarantee actually was. Was it guaranteed top ten placing for a particular search or some other meaningless guarantee like being in the Google index for the domain name?

Brett I don't think even you would guarantee a top five or top ten place for a year. ;)

If you can perhaps you will let us all into the secret. ;)

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> Brett I don't think even you would
> guarantee a top five or top ten
> place for a year

No, I would not. That is NOT to say that there are not people who have done that regularly over the last 7 years of Google. There are some seo's out there that do understand the in/outs of Google - who have killer statitical analysis and sytematical approaches to practicing seo.

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There are some seo's out there that do understand the in/outs of Google

If you know them invite them in ;o)

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That is NOT to say that there are not people who have done that regularly over the last 7 years of Google.

Brett, do those people offer guarantees for those positions? And what exactly happens if the guarantee is not met?

I'm sure most of us offer some form of guarantee when it comes to our services and/or products. How the guarantee is written is the determining factor.

We are confident in our abilities to place your web site in multiple top search engine positions for a variety of your targeted keyword phrases.

Note the above. There is no specific mention of top ten or any specific keywords and/or keyword phrases.

If a company is offering top ten positions for specific phrases in organic search, I'd say "Run Forest, Run!".

Guaranteed Google Listings.

Sure, I'll guarantee you multiple Google listings. But, I'm not going to guarantee a position. And, I'm going to have a disclaimer that states that we have absolutely no control over the organic listings. And with Google, that those organic listings may fluctuate at times.

But see, the logic in guaranteeing anything to do with SERPs is flawed. Instead of focusing on positions, I focus on results. You may have had 20-30 top positions before coming on board with me. Afterwards, you may end up with 200-300 top positions.

Bottom line...

I Guarantee Results!

And I'm going to want at least a 12 month commitment (in most instances) so us Rocket Scientists can do our thing. ;)

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> Brett, do those people offer guarantees for those positions?

I don't think we were talking positions, but listings?

On the other hand - from your profile url - you know better than I do PG1. There are some people who do garantee positions. It is pretty easy when you own all of the top ten under some kw's. There are a couple of hosting outfits that have ruled google under niche long tails for years.

The thing I have seen time-n-time again, is that those people who do figure out the long term listing and rankings game, seldom spend long working for other people. They pull a woodstien and burnwood by following the money and going to work for themselves.

I just wanted to make sure this thread wasn't turning in to yet-another "burn the seos at the stake that back up their services" thread.

And yet on a third hand - lets be sure to understand that there are very few professional SEO's reading this thread. Most are independents doing their own thing and not offering commercial services.

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For the past few months a major US car manufacturer has been running a heavy TV campaign pushing one of it's models.

The commercial ends with a snapshot of Google's home page and the announcer saying "For more information Google car model" while the car model is being typed into the Google search box.

I would imagine if their spending millions on this campaign they must feel pretty confident that there is some kind of guarantee their going to come up first in the search results.

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I would imagine if their spending millions on this campaign they must feel pretty confident that there is some kind of guarantee their going to come up first in the search results.

Uh, no. They don't care where you buy the particular brand of car.

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The thing I have seen time-n-time again, is that those people who do figure out the long term listing and rankings game, seldom spend long working for other people. They pull a woodstien and burnwood by following the money and going to work for themselves.

I could not agree more. If I found the holy grail of search there is no way I would be wasting my time using it to make money for others. There is absolutely no logic in that.

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It is easy to do. I get my sites to #1 in 7-10 days if they drop to page 3. I just use my own network. Like you say, more money in it for the individual, why do it for someone else.
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